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OpenAI is coming for the iPhone, but Apple won't be ready. Plus, the great Invisalign vs Braces debate.

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• OpenAI takes on Apple: iPhone designer's company acquired by OpenAI for $6.4 billion - YouTube
• Sam & Jony introduce io - YouTube
• Researchers puzzle over rash of baby monkey kidnappings 
• Cargo ship crashes into man's yard in Norway after crewman fell asleep - YouTube

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• Coldwater by Josh & Austin

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This is The Launch, episode 22 for May 27th, 2025.   Streaming to you from the beautiful Pacific Northwest and the mighty American   West Coast, We greet you all a good morning, a good evening,   or whenever your timeline may fall. Time-appropriate greetings, indeed, to one and all.   This is The Launch, and my name is Chris.   And I'm Angela.   Hello, Angela. We've got a big show, so a few things everyone needs to know   before we get going. We'd love it if you called us. You can call now or call after the fact.   774-4662-5667. That is 774-462-5667.   Well, play your voicemails on the next show, or you can call in right now if you're listening live.  

We'll take your calls after the song of the week shows live on Tuesdays at 1130   AM Pacific, two 30 PM Eastern and seven 30 PM UTC at JBLive.tv or in your podcast   app of choice at podcast apps.com.   We come out for release on Wednesday mornings, assuming I'm awake and I publish   and we love if you boost in, send us your suggestions, your topic responses,   all of that, or join us in that mumble room details at weekly launch. Dot rocks.   Okay, hey, Angela, it's a hot topic. It's a controversial topic.   We're going to touch the third rail, as they say, and we're going to get into   braces versus Invisalign.  

Dun, dun, dun. Oh, I should have gotten some dramatic music.   Yeah.   Sorry.   What the heck? All vamp. You get nothing.   He may have something. I don't know.   Yeah. And the value of this is negative.   I do have this.   There you go.   There we go. All right. So we are on a journey.   Two years ago, our youngest, Bella, had a really bad crossbite,   and we did the palatal expander,   and then we've just been going to see the orthodontist every six months to get   her teeth or just to evaluate her teeth and where they're at.   She wasn't losing two of the teeth because the adult teeth were growing in forward   instead of down, so we had those teeth pulled in December.  

and then at this most recent visit the orthodontist said I am pretty sure we   are ready and he said you are right we are ready for the next step.   Uh oh you know what that means,   So it's time for some sort of machinery.   Yes, equipment.   Oh, boy.   Yeah. So we did that hour-long consultation, and this is so bizarre.   It's the same cost regardless.   But she has the option of braces or Invisalign.   And I really want to leave it up to her, and I am curious any feedback.   Which one's more painful?   Well, so she's a trumpet player.   Uh-huh.  

Can you imagine?   Yeah.   Uh, that's not going to be comfortable. Uh, so my concerns are,   yeah, uh, they are low, more low profile. So, okay. Background.   Chris had every experimental mouth equipment.   Yeah. It was fun. I mean, starting in, starting in like the early nineties,   all the way through the early aughts.   Yeah.   All kinds of crazy mouth gear.   Yeah.   Really hated it.   Yep. Um, and I have done Invisalign twice. Uh, I will probably do it a third time.   Yeah. Meh. I just didn't like the way it turned out the second time.   But anyway, so I don't have firsthand race experience because,   well, I'm allergic to metal, so I couldn't do it.  

And Bella's ears did not heal after she got them pierced until I bought her   plastic or acrylic earrings.   I question whether she's allergic or not, right? So there's that.   Then there's also the trumpet playing. And then there is also the fact that   she can't eat some of the foods that she likes or shouldn't, right? Like popcorn.   But with Invisalign, you can pop them out.   Yeah, you can pop them out. But will she wear them all the time?   Because you've got to wear them for like 20 to 22 hours a day.   But you only need to visit the orthodontist like every 10 to 12 weeks with Invisalign.   But you have to do it every six weeks for the braces.  

That would be the deciding factor for me right there.   Right?   That's it.   Right? Yeah. And both of them will require rubber bands because her teeth need   to be pulled back on her right side.   Or maybe it's her left. Well, whichever.   Anyway, her cross bite is fixed, but now we just need to align the teeth properly.   So, Dad, what is your thoughts?   Well, you know, I think I would have preferred to be able to pop out my braces.   You know, I think I would have been able. Like, I don't know.   I'd have to have been pretty motivated to stick with it. That's the only problem   is it's easy to say you're going to stick with it, and then three to six months   into it, you're like, screw this.  

You know, I want them all for the day.   Right? She wants colors. I know you did colors. I went with you to some of your appointments.   Yeah, you could get them colored.   And in fact, she is going to the same orthodontist.   Oh, yeah, yeah.   Yeah.   He's still around.   Yeah, we went to the Arlington office last week.   His hand doesn't shake?   He's a little unsteady.   Yeah, I bet. I mean, he's an older guy now.   Yes.   He was kind of an older guy when he was my orthodontist.   Yeah.   But okay. He's doing an okay job, I guess.   Mm-hmm.   Okay. Yeah, he's pretty funny.  

Actually.   But yeah, what are your thoughts? Does he still live in that same area, do you know?   I don't know.   Yeah, that's weird. Yeah, I mean, so to me, that would be the thing.   So Invisalign doesn't do colors, does it?   No.   Yeah.   Mm-mm. No, and you technically should brush your teeth before putting them back   in, so she'd need to bring a toothbrush to school.   The hardest thing for me with the braces, maybe they fixed this now,   is it just really, really tore up the inside of my mouth.   Yeah, and both of them are supposedly two-year treatments, but Invisalign can easily be sped up.   I don't know why it would have to be spread out that far.  

I would like to know which route the audience would go and if they've gone these routes.   Are there people out there that have some mouth gear now or did?   How did it go or how is it going?   I don't know how you even make a choice like this because it's one of those   things you wish you could try out for 30 days.   Right. But yeah. So I have concerns about having things attached to every single one of her teeth.   Like there are attachments with Invisalign, but.   Oh, that part was awful getting that off too sometimes.   Right. Yeah.  

I hate that. Just thinking about that.   Yeah. So she, we left that consultation. She wants braces because she wants   them just in there and not have to worry about, you know, taking them in or   out and she wants the colors.   But when I talked to her yesterday, she said, I think I'm just going to go with   Invisalign. And I said, well, be sure to talk to your dad this weekend. Ask him.   Yeah, but you've tried both and you're in the mumble room now.   What are your thoughts on Invisalign versus braces?   Oh, there we go.   Yeah, so the issue with braces is usually with the inside of your cheeks,   your tongue getting stuck.  

Oh, yeah.   With the food getting food stuck in your braces all the typical issues with those but the big,   foundation of braces is they're there and you need   to take care of them or you will notice you haven't taken care   of them with the vision line especially when   they're brand new it was really hard for me to   get them out almost broke a   tooth with that by improperly taking them   out but after a few days that sets gets   easier but yeah then you have the issue of oh I'm   taking a little sweet here or have lunch here   you do need something to wash your teeth clean with so that's something you   need to take in account but also I noticed when I'm forgetting to insert them   I wear them at night especially for against teeth grinding yes but,   constantly forget them uh to put them in back again so you need to really drill in that yeah,   after brushing your teeth insert the invisalign uh in the morning they're coming   straight out for me that's no problem but yeah it's um it is an adjustment uh   just some discipline routine.  

It sounds like yeah.   Yes here's.   Here's the other thing stay stay on here by bitten um she has a   overbite so her she would only be able to do the top braces first uh because   otherwise her front teeth will knock the bottom braces off uh once she's ready   for the bottom braces she'll have to have a bite block behind her front teeth   to have either of you had that.   It doesn't ring a bell.   Yeah what about you bite bitten.   Uh i had the elastic bands   uh to pull my jaw uh forward a bit   with the braces and i do   notice with the more flexibility that i have   now in my jaw that you need to be a bit careful with it especially with my thief   grinding i noticed the damage on the invisalign that i have and i gotten two   invisalign so one for the bottom one for the top but the top one was first and,   yeah I think it's also a bit different experience for per person there is a   little bit of difference in there sure.  

Yeah that's good insight I need to think about this if you're out there listening   and you have insights something I can share before this weekend boost in soon   let me know what you do how it went let me think about that thank you,   All right, so I thought I'd talk about something that seems to be creeping up   in the background, and that is OpenAI taking on the iPhone.   I think they have the iPhone in their sites, and I have a couple of clips that   I want to play that kind of build the case for you.   So recently, OpenAI, the makers of ChatGPT, acquired Johnny Ive's new company.   Now, I'm not going to sit here and tell you who Johnny Ive is because they're   going to probably repeat it over and over again in this clip,   But it was a major acquisition for $6.4 billion in stock to bring Johnny Ive into open AI.  

And they probably have a mission in mind with an acquisition that big.   Sam Altman and Johnny Ive, the man who helped Apple design many of its most   iconic products, including the iPhone, teaming up on what they hope will be   the next generation of devices.   Steve Kovac joins us right now with more. And there is so much in this story.   Oh, my God. This is probably the biggest story. The first thing I said when   this broke yesterday, I was just like, wow, wow, wow. I could not believe this was happening.   So he's a little excited. Did you notice? Did you catch that?   Wow, wow, wow. I can't believe this is happening. So are you getting this as a big deal?  

In this story. Oh, my God. This is probably the biggest story.   The first thing I said when this broke yesterday, I was just like,   wow, wow, wow. I could not believe this was happening.   And that's because Johnny Ive, he left six years ago.   He left Apple to start this new design firm called Love From.   And a few years later, he ended up poaching some of the top design talent at   Apple, brought them over to his new startup.   And now that startup is called IO is being bought by OpenAI for six and a half   billion dollars, at least in stock in OpenAI.   And this really paints a picture of Apple under the Tim Cook era,   which, by the way, the performance speaks for itself.  

Just look at the stock. Look at the growth numbers.   Massive success there. There's no question about that. However,   there's also been this like growing schism of thought around what's happening at Apple.   This idea that the design forward, innovative hardware products has gone since   Johnny Ive left the company.   And now Johnny Ive is here. We just saw that video of him with Sam Altman.   He and Sam Altman are saying, we've created this amazing new product that is   going to kind of wean you off the iPhone. It's going to be focused on AI.   All the stuff that we talk about Apple kind of missing out on.  

So they have this plan, and they talk about this in this really kind of just   ridiculously overproduced video of Sam Altman and Johnny Ive,   where Johnny Ive talks about the last 30 years of his career working at Apple   were just preparing him for this moment.   All of it was just a pregame for what is the actual real game.   I think we have the opportunity here to kind of completely reimagine what it means to use a computer.   Okay, so I want to play this a little bit of this video. Are you getting like   the level of hype here? It's huge, right?   And the money they spent too is just rebunker-less.  

I mean 6.4 billion even if it's in stock is is a lot of money to spend on anything.   So I'm gonna jump ahead to this like they want to build a family of devices.   I think it's around in here somewhere.   So how did it all begin? So my son, Charlie, was the first person in the family to use ChatGPT.   And he said, you've just got to me, Sam.   I met Johnny's family relatively quickly after meeting Johnny.   And they were sort of just like, it was an impossibly lovely family.   So it's a lot of this. It's a lot of that. And so they get into these,   they're going to make a family of devices because they love each other's families.  

Uptured our imagination. You know, Johnny called one day and said,   this is the best work our team has ever done.   I mean, Johnny did the iPhone. Johnny did the MacBook Pro. I mean,   these are like the defining ways people use technology.   It's hard to beat those things. Those are really wonderful.   Johnny recently gave me one of the prototypes that the device for the first time to take home.   Okay, so they have a prototype of a device. Now, how this device is somehow   super integrated with OpenAI, even though they were separate companies,   I'm not sure. but supposedly there's a prototype that Johnny and his team have   designed and it's their best work ever.  

I've been able to live with it. And I think it is the coolest piece of technology   that the world will have ever seen.   The products that we're using to deliver and connect us to unimaginable technology, they're decades old.   He's talking about the iPhone. They're slamming the iPhone right there.   Their audio is so good and I don't see a lapel.   Yeah, I know, and there's somebody asking them a question. Yeah,   probably. They hired a movie production company.   Yeah.   Yeah. And so it's just common sense to at least think, surely there's something   beyond these legacy products.  

We have magic intelligence in the cloud. If I wanted to ask ChatGPT something right now,   about something we had talked about earlier. Think about what would happen.   I would reach down, I would get on my laptop, I'd open it up,   I'd launch a web browser, I'd start typing, I'd have to explain that thing.   I would hit enter and I would wait and I would get a response.   I thought this was really weird. Did you pick anything up weird about that?   Ridiculous step-by-step?   Yeah. First of all, trying to make it sound complicated.   Right?  

When it's his own product, which is weird. But also as the CEO,   don't you think you'd be inclined to highlight your product in the most favorable   light, which would be you pull out your smartphone, you launch the ChatGPT app,   and you just speak to ChatGPT in like 10 seconds.   That's what they demo up on stage. But instead, he pretends like the smartphone doesn't even exist.   And he's like, no, what you'd do if you wanted to ask the AI something is you'd   get your stupid bag out, you'd unzip your stupid bag, and you'd open it up,   and then you'd dig around in your dumb bag. Oh, there's some paperwork.  

You'd take the paperwork out, and you'd set it out, and you'd pull the laptop   out, and you'd open up, oh, but your battery's not charged. So then you dig   around your bag some more and you find your power adapter. Oh,   but you got to plug the thing together. You get that connected.   And you had to dig around and find an outlet in the wall. You finally got it   plugged in and you put the power cable in the laptop.   And I had to let it charge for 10 minutes before it boots. So then you let it   charge for 10 minutes after you went to the bathroom.   You came back and then you finally booted up the laptop. But,   of course, it took forever because I had to do five system updates and then reboot twice.  

But then once I got logged in, I opened up my web browser and I was able to ask the AI a question.   Okay. That needs to be a song.   It's so it's so ridiculous it's so crazy and he tries to draw this distinction   between we have and he actually i think he uses the word i'll play it again   magical ai in the cloud okay,   it's a lot of things 100 accurate it is not and magical it is not i love some   of the technology use a lot for show production purposes to like you know reduce   things down to keywords or to create transcripts,   but magical it is not.  

I'm sitting beyond these legacy products. We have like magic intelligence in   the cloud. If I wanted to ask ChatGPT something right now,   About something we had talked about earlier. Think about what would happen.   I would reach down. I would get on my laptop.   I'd open it up. I'd launch a web browser. I'd start typing. I'd have to explain   that thing. I would hit enter, and I would wait, and I would get a response.   He makes his own product sound like crap. It's so weird. And it's obviously   not how you would get in to get a quick question.   And not to mention, and this is going to be a big problem for them regardless   of where they go, all these platform vendors like Google and Apple,   they have built-in voice assistants.  

Right.   They're always going to be the default, Sam. They're always going to be the default.   I like how there's two steps for typing and describing.   Yeah, right. I don't know. I don't know. Anyways, he makes it sound complicated   on purpose because they're leading up to something.   And that is at the limit of what the current tool of a laptop can do.   But I think this technology deserves something much better.   A partnership based on friendship. I think they also, you know,   so they don't really tell us   anything. They say they have a family of devices. They have a prototype.   Some people think it's going to be a pendant that you wear around your neck   that has a camera and a microphone and it's always observing and the chat GPT   is surfacing highlights and information about your day.  

Wow.   If I were to guess.   Oh my gosh, summarize today.   It's funny how they're attacking the smartphone. So it does seem like a smartphone.   If they're going to have a family of devices, a smartphone could be one of them.   But if I were them, I would go for the watch.   i would try to make an open ai watch because   you need a screen you need a way for people   to activate it because all the technology we have around ambient activation   for all the voice assistance sucks it's not   good enough it doesn't work in all the dynamic environments where you're walking   around all day but a watch you know   that that would be pretty nice because   you'd have a screen where you could see the results there's still room to compete   with apple and garmin in this space apple didn't do it they should have done   it i think a watch would be really interesting i don't think a pendant or i   think glasses would be really interesting if you could have chat gpt glasses   overlaying information like robocop constantly that.  

Would bother me.   Yeah well that's where i mean so this is the thing is i don't like sam altman   i don't trust him and i i think it's weird and demeaning for johnny ive to lower   himself to the knob gobbling of sam altman,   It's a strange, shocking thing to see Because Johnny, in my opinion,   has a higher brand than Sam Altman does And I don't know where this is leading.   Other than some sort of creepy hardware that monitors all the time,   And finally, your smartphone, your smart devices Really, truly will be listening   to you 24-7 Like everybody worries,   And I just, you know, open to hear to hear Johnny Ive praise Sam over and over   again in this video in the way he does. Like, it's so it's so over the top.  

Sam Altman got kicked out of his company for a little while.   Like people are leaving open AI because they don't trust Sam.   They're worried about Sam. And he talks about Sam Altman like Sam is the next Steve Jobs.   Good. How you doing? Good.   So what is this announcement we're talking about?   Two years ago, Johnny and I started talking about what the future of AI and   new kinds of computers was going to look like. I was running OpenAI.   Johnny was running a design firm called Love From that had established itself   as really the, I think, densest collection of talent that I've ever heard of   in one place and probably has ever existed in the world.  

And it became very quickly apparent to both of us that we needed a third company.   A year ago, I founded I.O.   with Scott Cannon, Evans Hankey, and Tang Tan, who are the most extraordinary engineers.   They have built a team of remarkable subject matter experts that range from   hardware and software engineering, physicists, researchers, product manufacturing experts.   And so I always merging with OpenAI.   I wonder what you think they might be trying to position there.   I mean, they're trying to tell people that these are the best design talents.   It's not Apple. It's not anybody else. It's us.  

The first one we've been working on I think is,   has just completely captured our imagination. You know, Johnny called one day   and said, this is the best work our team has ever done.   Completely captured his imagination. So look for it in 2026.   Look for it in 2026 to compete with the iPhone. I don't know.   Tell me what you think it might be and where this is going.   Come on, let us know. Boost or give us a call.   All right.   Give us a call.   You can get on that phone right now and give us a ring. We'll take your calls   after the song of the week or play your voicemails. And we have a spring vibe song.  

Something, you know, nice weather, sun's out.   It felt like we needed something that reminded us of the good old warm days.   So it is Cold Water by Josh and Austin.   We'll be back on the other side with your calls and your boosts.   You can boost during that song and 95% of the sats go to the artist and you   can rewind if you missed and send them a boost.   And speaking of that, we have a nice little batch of boosts to get into.   And our top booster this week is the Mr. Turd Ferguson coming in with 35,422 sats.   and turd writes uh missed you guys almost missed   you guys last week here's a little value to support taking   a week off when needed thank you turd thank you   i was in boston and if i   could have done the show i would have but we were   starting our mornings at seven you   know and easily going to five six p.m with the event and then there was   after the event stuff it was wow i uh   i put so many steps in and it   was crazy like if you look at my trends versus like my   average then while we were red hat   summit um and i didn't really i   mean i walked a little bit around boston to go out to lunch and stuff but   the the size of this venue is ginormous it's so huge that i'd walk like eight   nine miles a day just walking the venue yeah and then whatever else i did going   around and getting lunch and stuff like that um chris has an rv brent has got a van yeah he does,   and you just need wheels you all work online so why not bail and work from somewhere   cheap yeah maybe one day that could be the dream yep.  

So one thing i did get new tires however one of.   Them is not holding air oh it was almost there yeah.   And uh and then as far as the work somewhere cheap uh i did confirm that my   work will continue to pay me at the washington.   Oh that's a nice raised.   Salary regardless if if i move so.   Yeah that is a thing it's not clear where you'd   move like you know where to go right yeah yeah but   that's i mean there are cheaper places like um just outside of   boston we paid uh 271 a   gallon for gas oh wow i know it's like going back   in time because it's like 499 ish yeah five something yeah um so i mean there's   those elements of it but then you know there's well there's not a lot of family   here but my mom is here um some of my wife's family is here your dad yeah yeah   i'm trying to think of your family that's still here,   i mean you have aunts and uncles that are still here yeah my uncle yeah my aunt is not here,   your luck is you'd move and then your folks would move back that that'd be your   luck right that's what happened but whatever,   I mean, because like a lot of the cheaper places are very hot,   too. There's that. I don't know.  

My sister might be moving back to Oregon.   Oh, Oregon. Yeah, but I don't know if Oregon's much cheaper, but Oregon's nice.   It's not. But she'd be considered in the Pacific Northwest.   So from Texas, right?   Mm-hmm.   Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's probably a big shift.   Thank you, Turd. Appreciate you. Hope things are going well.   Always appreciate you supporting the launch.   Outdoor Geek is here with 5,000 sets. Hmm.   asking us to share our pain about getting thieved made me think of cyborg in   star trick 5 share your pain share your pain with me and gain strength from   the sharing have you seen star trick 5 yet no well i.  

Don't think so.   So you got to watch the original star trick movies you got to watch i.   Think i have.   The motion picture can be a bit rough to get through there.   Are half a dozen people in my life that have told me to watch these and i have watched some of.   Them and.   So like i do i don't know i don't know where i'm at.   Well i'm not see star trek uh five with cyborg it's not where you want to start   it's not their strongest movie,   it's not their best work but if you can get   if you can get into the franchise uh and you   can get into it then it's i mean then i think it's worth it thank   you outdoor geek nice to hear from you appreciate the support bite bitten's   here with 2 000 sats and he's in the mobile scrapping the launch maybe we need   the lunch haha yeah we do we should have lunch here right now right yes,   i think so i think it's the only thing that's fair thank you   for the boost bite a morph sausage came in with 7 000 sats   oh you know what that feels like uh yeah that's   two boost uh here is a small idea for a future topic to me it was clear pretty   fast after starting to listen to jb podcast chris has a van but i was surprised   when you mentioned it's your primary home how did it come to be what are the   driving factors is it more than just housing prices and would you do it again   oh that's an interesting question is that a show topic you think.  

Oh yeah tune in to the launch 23.   Maybe i'll probably forget about that but i could float that i forgot to add   call the launch jingle is so catchy is there a full version of the song not   really because ai screws it up if you listen so that's the problem i have to leave the number out.   Right?   Yeah, I think so. I'll play a little bit of it.   Actually, it's not that bad. It's not that bad.   Actually.   Thank you. Appreciate the boost, Amorph. Nice to hear from you.   Tomatoes here with the cute little row of dicks.   I'm with Brent's brother on naming the van. However, how great would it be,   though, when crossing the border for its name to change from something gratuitously   rude to confusingly French? The Algen-Claude.  

I feel like Vamoose is sticking. It's not 100% stuck yet.   but um we had a really cool moment i wonder if i could find this this is me stretching,   but uh producer jeff got to go up with cessna mike in his new aeroplane and   in there they named i'm gonna see if i can find a little bit of the audio.   105 notes online mike where are we right now we are right over the inside of   the gold gate bridge 660 out.   We're about to pass over Sausalito.   Well, I've got the recorder on if you want to yell, say anything to Chris or   Brent or anybody, you should do it.  

Hey, fellas. Sorry you missed out on this one. Jeff gets the first ride in the new plane.   Ah, see, they missed out? I thought maybe you took them up in this one.   Nope, nope. They went up in the last plane I had.   This is the faster upgrade. They didn't get all this glass up front either.   We just got to go all the way up to the bay, tour around the whole bay.   Now we're coming back into Sacramento, and it's only been an hour, two hours, not even?   Not even. We can't even drive that, you know, one way in less than two hours.   Yeah, if you look at that traffic down there right now, it wouldn't be fun in   a Van Moose or whatever we're going to call. Brett's.  

Did you catch it there? The Van Moose? So Vamoose is becoming Van Moose Vamoose   is becoming I think it's kind of amazing too Because that was They're flying   over California Which is where we rescued The van from That's kind of great,   We'll see Brent has to make The final decision But I think he's close Thank   you everybody Who supported the show 15 of you Stream them sats As you listen   That's pretty neat We like that And you stacked 14,261 sats And when you combine   That with our boosters It's a pretty humble 65,905 sats,   it's not looking good it's not looking good it's okay i understand because some   of you wanted to call and leave a voicemail instead and we do have a couple   of those tech geek is our first caller this week.  

Hey team this is tech geek here from uh orlando just calling you in on my way   into work uh just finished up the latest episode and you know i've been meaning   to call in sooner and comment on your show music.   I guess you would call that lounge music if you want to put it in a genre, maybe.   I love it.   I absolutely love it. And credit. Where did you get that from,   if you don't mind me asking and partaking in that information?   Again, love the show. You guys are doing great.   Keep up the good work. I'm going to try and send in a boost soon.   talk to you later again tech geek from Orlando end of line.  

Thank you tech geek you know I feel really bad I should have gotten the name,   because I rename all my clips to like you know intro clip and things like that   so I don't actually know the name of the song anymore but if you're not able   to shazam it let me know and I will try to find it,   by the next episode if I can.   Oh you know I interpreted that as holistically all the AI music.   You've been orchestrating but that's... No, I think you're...   No, yeah, I think you're right. I just...   Yeah, I'm not sure. I'm not sure. But I will try. I do know I have it somewhere.   I'll shazam it.  

Yeah, you probably could. I think you probably could because it does play.   I think it probably plays long enough. All right. Our next caller.   Yeah. Hi. I'm going to need two burrito tacos to go.   And I need those no lettuce because y'all use iceberg and iceberg is just bullshit solid water.   Yeah. And could I have that ready in like 20 minutes? All right. Thanks.   You got it, buddy. You got it. We'll have the chef get working on that right   after the show. And our last call.   Thank you, producer Drew. Our last call is from caller Brian.   I believe it's the first time.  

Hello. This is Brian from Waterloo, Ontario, Canada. Long time listener. First time caller.   First, I just wanted to ask you, Chris, are you a friend of DeSoto?   And I also wanted to thank you and Angela for showing such a good example of   how a divorced couple can raise kids together and still be friendly and everything like that.   Alright, thank you very much. Bye.   Well, thank you. Thank you, Brian. I guess, though, wait until they make it   to 18 before you can give us congratulations.   Yeah, I'm like, first, you should see us off air.   These damn kids.  

Just kidding.   No, yeah, it's Friend of DeSoto, yes, I used to listen to The Greatest Generation   a lot more. Good podcast, The Greatest Generation, if you're a Star Trek fan.   I have a lot of fun with it. And Friend of DeSoto comes from a really early   reference in the show's run of a character in Star Trek The Next Generation.   I won't spoil it because it's kind of fun figuring it out.   But thank you, Brian. Good to hear from you.   And yes, please do give us a call. We want you to leave a voicemail.   Okay, so check this one out. Monkey see, monkey do.   Researchers are puzzled over a strange behavior that seems to be a copycat behavior   that has led to a rash of baby monkey kidnappings.  

What?   It's true.   There's an old expression, monkey see, monkey do.   It means copying someone's behavior without really understanding it.   Well, recently, some monkeys started mimicking a disturbing habit developed   by one member of their group. And as NPR's Nell Greenfield-Boyce reports,   this is having some serious consequences for their neighbors.   All of these monkeys live in Panama on an island.   There, a group of white-faced capuchin monkeys uses stone tools to crack open hard foods.   Tool use is unusual for this species, so researchers have been studying them   using a bunch of wildlife cameras.  

Zoe Goldsboro is with the Max Planck Institute of Animal Behavior and the University   of Constance. She says the cameras collect a lot of video and it all has to be reviewed.   And I was doing this when I stumbled upon this image of a Capuchin carrying   a howler monkey on its back.   A howler monkey? That's a different species. The only other primate living on the island.   She says this was surprising. She and her colleagues wondered if this howler   monkey baby had been abandoned and then got adopted. And then after that,   it sort of became this detective work of going through all the hundreds of thousands   of images and videos to look for more of this happening.  

It turns out there was more to find. That one particular young male,   a capuchin they call Joker, didn't just get a hold of a single howler monkey infant.   Over a few months, the video cameras saw him carrying four different howler babies around.   So they set up these cameras and what they discover is that one of the monkeys is a baby napper.   that's crazy that's what they discovered i just   can't even with that um and then we we end this week with the story that is   for your emotional well-being you can take a deep breath and you can at least   know that your day could be going a little worse a massive cargo ship could smash into your home oh.  

My we end tonight with a story of a man from norway who was no longer waiting for his ship to come in.   Have a look at what Johan Hellberg awoke to yesterday at a seaside cottage,   the massive nose of a cargo ship, one and a half football feels long.   It ran aground in his yard, plowing to a halt about 15 feet from his bedroom.   A neighbor saw the ship steaming towards the shore and made a futile attempt to stop it.   You need not speak Norwegian to, you know, catch his drift.   So what do you suppose happen? What do you think went wrong?   Oh, I already read what I went wrong.  

Oh, you did?   Yeah, sorry. I can't even guess.   Oh, you can, yeah.   But, like, it's crazy. The ship is pointed directly at the house.   It's like, there's not house on either side. It's just straight for this house.   So it looks like it was aiming for it.   I know. I was like, is it nav system gone wrong? GPS gone wrong?   I mean, maybe still. We'll find out why.   Right. Oh, it's like the Fast and the Furious. The pedal's stuck.   Right. Something went wrong, and, like, if they took the, if they stopped the motor, it would blow up.   The ship registered in Cyprus had 16 crew members on board.  

Nobody was hurt. The ship's watchman, though, admitted he fell asleep.   What?   Johan Helberg, meantime, is hoping.   How can that happen just because the watchman falls asleep? Seems like maybe   there should be a system on board that's like, hey, sure.   Hey, sure, sure, approaching. Like how can a sedan or a van from the early 2020s   that I drove in Boston have collision detection and lane guidance,   but ginormous cargo ships don't know before they hit the shore?   Like what world are we living in?   Maybe they're using Apple AI.   Zinger. All right. I think that is it.  

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