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This is The Launch, Episode 15 for March 25th, 2025. Streaming from the beautiful Pacific Northwest and the mighty American West Coast, we greet you all a good morning, a good evening, or whenever your timeline may fall. time-appropriate greetings, indeed, to one and to all. This is the launch. My name is Chris. And I'm Angela. Hello, Andrews. We have a lot to get into today, so I want everyone to know a few things before we get started. We'd love it if you called us. We'll have the phone lines going here in just a moment, and you can call.
Or if you miss us, you can leave us a voicemail. How about that? Did you know we have a phone now? It is 774-462-5667. Yeah, call. Write it down. 774-462-5667. Come on in. Give us a call. I'm starting up the phone systems right now. Of course, you can also join us live in our Mumble Room. We do the show Tuesdays at 11.30 a.m. Pacific, 2.30 p.m. Eastern. That's 7.30 p.m. UTC for you wild kids out there. Just go over to jblive.tv or jblive.fm or, heck, I don't know, maybe a podcasting 2.0 app. And then you know what? You're here live. Mumble Room is probably the best way to go. You can always hang out with us there, suggest topics and all of that.
And then we have the Launch HQ chat room, which is linked over on our website at weeklylaunch.rocks. Come on in. Get in that chat room. It's going all week long. Well, hello, Andrews. Welcome back. We did it. It's episode six, also known as 15. Yes. And this week, I thought we should talk about something everybody talks about. When you suggested it, I was like, this is one of my favorite topics. Everybody eats, everybody poops, and everybody sleeps. Oh, which one are we going to talk about? Today we're going to do sleep because a lot of us could do sleep better, I think. And if you want to call in and tell us about your sleep habits or your sleep problems, the phone line is open now.
So you suggested this, and I'm curious where you're at with sleep habits in general and what you're thinking about. Yeah. So... I record my sleep. I wear my Apple Watch at night and I like I can get a sense for how I feel, but it's really I'm a data person. I need to see how that data looks and and then I make decisions based on that. You know, that's logical to do with data. Are you using the built in Apple sleep stuff or using a specific sleep tracking app? I'm not using an external app. I did attempt that at one point, but I couldn't get it to connect or to feed back to the health app. in oh yeah you.
Do want to have it in the health app if you can. Yeah i agree. With you the sleep data as somebody who has sleep apnea and is trying to just manage it crazy valuable for actually making action and decisions. Yeah um but i am currently like if so i went out of state this weekend and i ended up being awake for 48 hours oh yeah how. Did that happen were. You just. Being crazy or they just couldn't sleep. Uh no no i just i did karaoke night and then um abby wasn't feeling good and then uh it was a very early morning flight we're an hour from the airport and you're supposed to get there two hours early and just like so many things so uh it just was an early flight yeah uh just didn't have a chance and then and then we landed it was only like uh an hour and a half flight oh yeah but we can't check into our hotel yeah right that's the worst when, But the thing is, is I have only pulled an all nighter once before in my memory.
And that was like in eighth grade. So I'm just no good. I am very specific about my sleep. I need minimum eight hours, you know. And yeah, I know that like for you, that that would be a dream. Yeah, but yeah, I need eight hours and I am still feeling the effects of lack of sleep. Like I get my memory is the first thing to go. like and so I've just been apologizing to the kids Dylan's making a bit out of it like how long are you going to blame it on your sleep mom and it's really funny it's great but I just apologize like hey in fact, I asked the kids why they didn't bring the garbage to the end of the driveway Friday morning.
Thinking it was garbage day. Yeah, because that was my garbage day for 12 years. But it hasn't been for the last couple of years. Now you know what you're going to be like when you're in your golden years. It is a glimpse of the future. So the other thing is caffeine really affects me, which I found out from my 23andMe data. But, yeah, so if I drink caffeine after like noon or one, I won't be able to go to sleep. It will just be impossible. My hard cutoff is three, but I really try to be done by about one or two. That's crazy. I didn't think you actually had a cutoff.
Yeah, only because I'm just doing everything I can. Oh, right. Yes. Good sleep hygiene. Yeah, if it's one thing, you know, I can. One less thing. So I've actually, I try to schedule all the shows for the most part to be earlier in the day. So I can get it in that window. Well, yeah. I mean, I think you'll agree that we are both pretty useless after like 7 or 8 p.m. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, you know, like I tried to do a formula the other night on this, you know, on the wake of this lack of sleep and wake of the life. Anyway, and at 8 o'clock. And I was just like, I don't even know how to make this formula.
Oh, I noticed it because in the morning I'll wake up sometimes and I'll play Mario or something on the TV. and I am some kind of wizard. It's unbelievable. Like somebody should get a camera out and capture the magic that's happening on screen. And then like 8 p.m., I'll be playing and I'm constantly dying. I get frustrated. I'm constantly handing the controller to Dylan. I'm just going to finish this for me. Yeah, he told me that he was doing it for you. That's funny. Yeah, because I just get, ah, this is no longer fun. Finish it. So yeah, and for me, it also takes, for me, it's weird. Like if I don't sleep, like I didn't sleep much last night. I probably got 45 minutes of sleep.
I'll be fine today. It's tomorrow. Oh, that's really interesting. Yeah. That's how I am with exercise. You know, like if I do, well, let's say bowling, right? If I go bowling, I'll feel it a little bit in my glutes that day. But then the next day, it's horrible. I think it's lactic buildup or something. It is. So do you have like an emergency recovery regime that you go into? Do you have like, I got to get my sleep back on track? Well, the number one troubleshooting for any ailments or suffering that you have is hydrate. I thought you were going to say get drunk.
No. Oh, I know. It's the opposite of hydrating. No, yeah. No, it's to hydrate. And it's not great for sleep either. Yeah. So hydrate, caffeine reduction, and then just trying to get to bed earlier, which doesn't always work because I'll just wake up earlier. Yeah, that's true. And I feel like doo-doo if I wake up earlier. So it is a strange balance. I have been using electrolytes more to help me sleep at night because I think it helps with restless legs. So I combine electrolytes with doctor's best high absorption magnesium glycate. Um, it's the kind that's easy on your stomach. And I take two of those each night, you know, about an hour or two before bed. And I hope that helps too.
I'll put a link to that in the show notes if I remember. I got a, uh, magnesium cream. Oh yeah. Uh, that I've been using, um, on Abby. Yeah. To try to help her. Yeah. That's good too, because that can be stuff that the gut can't quite handle. Right. So this has got to be a particular type of magnesium. Otherwise it can give you a stomach. Magnolia mayhem says, man, I got so quote hydrated and quote last weekend, bro. way to go. Yeah yeah i uh i also um try if i can to stop eating by about six or seven o'clock but that's because i also have a really slow gut which i'll get into in a little bit um and so i just try to be done eating early enough that i'm not.
Oh yeah no i eat dinner at 4 30 and that's it for the rest of the night. And that's. Because i have to take my thyroid medication. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. That, yeah. These things still, I still don't, I still sleep for crap sometimes. It's, uh, it's, it's, it builds up. It's this weird thing. I noticed it cause I went to scale and I slept through every single night. I didn't sleep great, but I slept through every single night at scale. And then, um, when I got back, I've progressively slept less and less and less since I've been back. weird and I think it's I think it's got to be in part like my daily routine at least for the first like the front first half of the week I'm um I don't really get much activity outside of just working and then by the second half of the week I'm kind of exhausted so I don't want to do anything and then I have then I can't sleep and I got like twitches and I my legs kick and so.
If I know that I'm going to be in a situation where I won't be able to sleep like for example sleep in Like if I can't go to bed earlier and I need to rely on sleeping in to get enough sleep, I will take a one-to-one gummy. Yeah, that could help. Do you do that? I've tried, and usually something that's got like melatonin in it too or something, but that stuff only works like one or two nights for me. Oh, well, definitely not daily. Yeah, no. And then, yeah. Yeah, every now and then. Yeah, you're right. Like if that's the trick with that stuff is use it very sparingly, I think. And then when you do use it, it actually has some impact. But for me, I adapt pretty quick.
Looks like we have a poll in the Launch HQ chat of what time do you eat dinner? Oh, interesting. I have answered. I'm going to go because I should be doing it. I'm going to say 6 p.m. Looks like most people in the live chat are 5 p.m. That's pretty early. Whenever you hear people going out for dinner in the movies, they're always going out at like 8 p.m. Right. I know. It's so weird. Yeah. And mine's at 4. I'm the one vote at 4 p.m. I wonder if that's regional. The kids get home from school and I just start making dinner for them. They come home hungry. Yeah. I come home hungry. I get home and it's like, it's time to eat.
I got to eat something. I basically got to eat every couple of hours, really, if I'm not careful. I want to know what the audience does sleep, like what their sleep hygiene is like. Oh, you know, sometimes my brain keeps me up or a headache or a migraine. Yeah. But because I get a monthly migraine. It's awesome. But I can quiet my brain. It makes me because I have not been diagnosed with attention deficit of any kind, but I definitely squirrel a lot, you know. But the fact that I can fall asleep within 10 minutes of laying down. Oh, that's great.
Yeah. Wow. That's a superpower. I know. Yeah. It is. It is pretty great. Sometimes it's not like that, but more often than not, I am falling asleep within 10 minutes. Yeah, I still go to audiobooks. That helps me. I have to find just the right audiobook that is interesting enough to hold my attention, but not so interesting I mind missing large parts of the plot. And if I find that audiobook, I can listen to that, and that helps keep me distracted. Or like a long YouTube video. It can't be a short one because it can't be switching while I'm trying to go to sleep.
Weighted blanket. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I use a weighted blanket. I think it's a 20-pound. It's great. And then a heated blanket, which I only use during the cold season. But both of those help me. And I guess you're supposed to be cold when you go to sleep, but my body temperature doesn't regulate. So what I've been doing is when we go to bed, it's about 72 degrees in the room. And then as we sleep over the night, I let it drop down to about 67, 65 maybe, depending on ambient temperature. And then around 5 a.m., it starts bringing the temperature back up again. I love that.
The thermostat at the house has that cycle, but I just keep it on hold. So I haven't, but also because I need to reprogram the time and I don't know how to do that. You know, you could always swap that thing out. It's pretty simple a wire. I think I need to. Actually, I think the whole furnace needs to be replaced. And when I do that, I'll just upgrade it entirely. Yeah. I was surprised it's like two wires for a thermostat or three wires. Really? Oh, yeah. I saw there's a new one here. Yeah. Yeah. That one's nice because it ties in with home assistant so that is cool I also have it set on location so if I'm not here for a day it drops it down to 65 so it's not running all the time alright you know what I want, I want you to boost in. How much sleep do you get each night?
Do you have a very important pre-sleep habit that maybe you could share with us? And are you doing any sleep tracking? I want to know if our audience nerds out on this because Ann and I nerd out on this. Yes, we do. And I think the data is useful. So take to your podcasting 2.0 app, support the show, and boost in with how much sleep you get if you have a pre-sleep habit and if you're doing any kind of tracking. And we'll read it on episode 16. and beyond. Well, the next level of nerd trackery for body stuff, and I think perhaps maybe the most important by a mile that could change your life, is glucose tracking.
And I've obviously gotten insights from this because my wife, Adia, is a type 1 diabetic and she has to manage her blood sugar levels quite closely. And she uses the traditional method where she pokes her finger and she takes a little stick and it measures it in a little device and then she takes action. And you can buy those. Anybody can buy those at Walmart now and things like that. But I wanted to play around with some of the more experimental, continuous glucose monitoring tools out there. And this is such a treat. And I've been playing around for just a couple of days with the Lingo Continuous Glucose Monitor made by Abbott.
And it's a biosensor that measures your glucose response to food, exercise, and, you know, other lifestyle factors. And it's streaming that data to your phone 24-7. And then they have an app that displays it to you in real time. So, like, when we started the show, my blood sugar level was at 88. And as we go right now, it's at 102 because I ate a little bit before the show. And this just sits right on your skin. It has a little filament that sits below the skin. And it comes with, like, a popper application that you pop onto your arm. It's quick. Sometimes it stings a little bit, and then it's done.
And then they use NFC, so you tap the phone to the little thing that's on your arm now, and it immediately pairs over Bluetooth LE. And then it just tells you real-time what your blood sugar levels are and gives you charts and history and stuff like that. I saw this link in the show notes, but you hadn't typed all this up yet, or at least it wasn't in the doc. So I was thinking, ooh, I should try this. I didn't know you had tried it. And I am concerned about allergic reaction to the filament. Yeah. And and then just the Bluetooth, like, of course, it's Bluetooth. Of course, it's transmitting Bluetooth. That just didn't even occur to me.
It's like a low power Bluetooth, I think. I'm sure. Yeah, of course. Yeah. Yeah. And so this is so, so useful for me. I'll tell you why I like it. And I'll tell you the pros and cons that I found so far. so high level I don't know if you guys care about this stuff if you want me to go into more detail I can but high level is I seem to have like a slower than average gut particularly in the evenings, and I also don't get a lot of activity during show days like I mentioned which can help with digestion and so, I kind of am hypoglycemic in a sense where I start to get really aggressive blood sugar crashes that come on really fast.
Like I go from I'm fine and 10 minutes later, I got to eat something. I'm starting to get sick. And if I go much longer, I actually start throwing up. And I can get caught in a loop where I eat something, but then I throw it up. And so I can't get my blood sugar up. And then I can actually be sick for quite a while. And it can be extremely difficult to like get out of this cycle. and compounded by the fact that I seem to digest things slower. So even if I take something, as soon as I notice, it can take quite a while before it gets digested, which is what I've been observing, before it actually impacts my glucose levels.
So even if I fixed it, I can still sometimes be crashing for a while and there's nothing else I can do but just wait for my gut to do its thing. And the idea being with a continuous glucose monitor is I could potentially catch it early as it begins to trend downwards and take care of it, eat some protein, something like that. Eat a Kit Kat. Yeah, whatever it is, which could have a big impact on smoothing out energy level, getting more activity because of higher energy levels, et cetera, things like that. But also just helped me kind of get out of these cycles that I get caught in sometimes. So that's why I was interested.
Now, it is neat, easy application, all of that, great to get this data, really useful, very actionable. You would be shocked what impacts your blood sugar. You would be shocked. It's amazing what I've been learning in just a couple of days. I wish I knew this stuff my entire life. I mean, it's clinically important. And it's not what you think. Like, it's the opposite of what you think. It can be. I was surprised. So here's the downsides, though. First of all, the Abbott lingo, it only works with an iPhone 11 or later. So no Android support. There may be other ones out there, but I don't think there are.
The sensor, at best, only lasts 14 days. So you got to poke yourself probably every 10 days or so with a new sensor. And each sensor is $50. So you're spending 50 bucks every 10, 14 days or so. The other thing is, you can see this on Amazon, kind of has mixed reviews. Some say it's worth every cent. Others find it way overpriced. But other people have reported issues with the sensor dropping off, sometimes within the first hour of use. And I had this drop off pretty much all night. And then I, you know, rebooted my phone this morning and it started feeding data again.
So I don't know what kind of troubleshooting they did, but, uh, so yeah, you know. So, uh, my boyfriend is a type two diabetic and he uses Dexcom, which is an insurance cover. Is it continuous or does he have to poke himself? No, it's this, it's basically identical. It has the filament. Um, it is every 14 days. It has that, uh, that one hour wait period while it sinks or whatever. Yeah. This does too. You, uh, scan a QR code. You don't tap it, which is hilarious. Like, Oh, I'm going to buy my, I don't know. I figured it's Abbott, right? So I figured they must be taking some of this insurance and medical technology and just consumerizing it.
Exactly. And so that's what I wanted to clarify is that what Chris is using, it doesn't require a prescription. And you can buy it on Amazon for $50. Yeah, they just say, make sure you don't use this for any medical action or something like that. Yeah, don't. Yeah, exactly. I mean, so if you are getting one of these, you probably should just do a quick A1C check just to see where you're at. What is an A1C check? That is, that will indicate if you are edging towards a diabetic status. Yeah. I think it's like a 90 day. Like my grandma would get it every six weeks or so if she was making a diet change to try to lower it.
So over time, this does start to, if you use it for multiple weeks, it does start to give you like more like baseline blood sugar level insights. But you're right. Yeah. I mean, some of this is like me looking for cheap solutions because I don't have medical insurance. And I'm like, well, if I can just sort of, if I can, if I could just use this thing to kind of figure out how to better manage my blood sugar, then I could just incorporate that into like a eating regime or something. Yeah, exactly. What we have noticed with my boyfriend is that even if he hasn't eaten, but he exercises, the alarm will go off. Have you made the alarm go off?
No, I haven't set any alerts yet. Oh, OK. That's interesting. Maybe I should. Yeah. So exercise, it's really interesting. and it's specific from what I googled it's specific to diabetics so when diabetics exercise it can cause so it doesn't necessarily happen to people that are. Non-diabetic it. Seemed to be associated. With that status she's got type 1 even like when she drinks coffee even if it's just straight black coffee with no sugar it can still spike her glucose levels right yeah it's like wow okay you really gotta watch it for me it's been interesting this morning, just figuring out okay if I eat now and I did it like I ate Thank you.
Just as the blood sugar levels are starting to come down and they were around 100 and then they got down to the low 80s after I'd already eaten and now it's climbed back up and now it's sitting right here at 99. So I think I nailed it. We're usually like at this point in the show, I'm starving. It's an inappropriate amount of hunger. It's ridiculous how fast it comes on. I don't know if I'm going to keep doing it. I might buy one or two more just to try it for a few weeks. I didn't know there was a consumer version. I figured because I'm pretty sure that the copay for Dexcom is 50. as well.
Oh. You know? But that means that for insurance, it'd be like $300 or something. Right? Dexcom has a similar competing version to the Lingo. It's $99, but it includes two sensors. So they've made a commercial version of the Dexcom one, too, I guess. A consumer? Yeah, a consumer, yeah. Yeah. Oh, interesting. Yeah. If this thing dies on me, like in a couple days or two, I might just try the Dexcom version. Yeah. Because then you get two sensors anyways. But man, oh man, the moment this is in a smartwatch that is available to life-changing, life-changing. Imagine if the Apple Watch did this.
Yeah. I mean, again, though, the filament is likely metal that I'm allergic to. So we'll see. Supposedly, although we don't know really, but the patents seem to suggest that Apple's able to figure it out with light sensors. Oh. Like they do your other information with light sensors right now. That's creepy. And I suppose it's been in development for six, seven years or something like that. I don't know. I guess they launched a sensor that they've been working on shortly after they launched the Apple Watch. And they've been getting it tested and all that kind of thing.
So if the Apple Watch came out, that'd be a hard thing to say no to. But then hopefully other watch manufacturers would try it too. It has been, and it's only been a couple of days, and it has been so, so insightful. I can't wait for the next couple of weeks. I might do a follow-up if people are interested. And if others out there have gut issues that they have solutions for, you know I'd like to hear it. one of the ways you can share is by calling the show you know we have that phone number and we have that voicemail you can always leave us a tip, And we did get a few voicemails.
I'm so excited. I know, me too. Our first voicemail is from Friar Tech. He gets the honor of leaving the first voicemail. Here we go. Hello, Chris. Hello, Angelo. This is Friar Tech calling you from Chicago, suburbia. I love the podcast. I love the launch. This is actually my first bootleg version of any podcast that JB does. And I'm actually loving it. I may have to turn on all the bootlegs now because I really realized how much I'm missing. You two sound great together. And for the first game that I probably had an unhealthy relationship, that would have been Ultima 3 and Ultima 4.
I can't remember the name of the company that did it. It might have been Origin Systems. I don't know. But I really played that way too often, more than my homework. Anyway, thanks for the show. And happy day after launch. Thank you, sir. Thank you for the voicemail. and the nostalgic video game memories. I've been really getting my game nostalgia on recently. I think the show has been influencing me. You ready for the next voicemail, Andrews? Yes, I am. It's from Rotted Mood. Y'all, this is Rotted Mood calling in from the Midwest Metropolis, good old Chicago, Illinois.
Sorry about the other message. My cat decided to do some misbehaving while I was trying to leave that one. So this is take two. And everybody listening to the podcast probably won't know what I'm talking about, but that's okay. I wanted to call in and say the game that I was highly addicted to was Wing Commander 2. I don't know if anybody's familiar with that game, but it came out in the 90s and was kind of a flight sim combat game. But, man, I love that. The other game I was highly addicted to in the 90s was Myst, which is complete opposite from Wing Commander 2, but equally awesome and was a very hard puzzle game. At least it was very hard for me.
But that's it. Love the show. Thanks, y'all. Bye. Yeah, I remember Wing Commander. I mean, it was so great. I really loved it back in the day, and I played it for hours on, I think, my dad's DOS PC. Thank you, Rotted Mood. Our last voicemail of the week comes from Turd Ferguson. Hey, guys, Turd here. Long time. First time. Love the show. I just wanted to call in and make it clear. The CIA and their buddies in the mob killed JFK. That's all. Have a great day. There you go. Thank you, Turd. call the launch everybody 774-462-5667 we want to hear from you you can leave a voicemail that's fine, there you go give us a ring thank you everybody who did call in and we'll leave the phone line open if you want to call in during the live show too I think it's time for a musical break what do you say?
yeah now last week we got Lost Cause by Ollie up to number three on the value for value charts. Now that is incredible because it wasn't on the charts at all. There's like over a hundred songs on the chart and it wasn't on the charts at all. And we got it at number three. It is so awesome. So that's great. Thank you everybody for supporting the artists. When you boost, we do use the magic wallet switching technology. So 95% of your sats go directly to the creator of the song. And so I love that last song from Ollie. So this week we're going to play another one of my absolute favorite value for value tracks.
It is 4 AM by Curtis Drums. How do you not just bop your head to that? Let's try taking a call, Andrews. All right? We've got a call coming in right now on the show. I have no idea if this will work. Caller, are you there? Hello. Hello, caller. Hello. Hello. Hey, who are we talking to? This is Adversary 17. Hey, Mr. 17. It's good to hear from you. You're a real person. I am a real person. And where are you calling us from today? We're going to try to get everybody to give us a general location. You don't have to be specific. I'm also from Chicago suburbs. So it seems that you guys need to make it out here.
No kidding. That was coming. Yeah. I know. I know. I hear that. Chicago, I feel like, is one of the more... Murderous? No, it's like one of the ones I hear more often. Murderous. That might be too. That could be. You don't have any trouble with the crime out there, right? We'll be safe if we come out there, right? Oh, yeah. Just stay away from certain areas. That's all. So since we have you, I'd like to ask you about your sleep habits. Do you have any sleep tricks? Are you a good sleeper, a bad sleeper? I would say I'm a decent sleeper. I have a Garmin Instinct 2 that I use to track my sleep. And typically I try to read about maybe a chapter or a good 20 pages of a book before going to sleep.
That usually keeps me distracted from having existential crises before going to bed. Yeah. So that's helpful. Reading is a good tip that's a good tip yeah are you doing any tracking yeah. He uses the garmin. I'm tracking with garmin yeah yeah yeah yeah i love the garmin tracking i've also been using the apple watch simultaneously and each are good i i think maybe the apple watch might be slightly more accurate i've had uh i've had times i don't know if you've run if you're 17 if you're not having sleep problems you might not have noticed this but i've had times and it's really disappointing where the Garmin just gives up, and it's like, no, you don't get sleep tracking tonight. It was too bad.
Have you seen this? Where it'll actually just throw its hands up and say, sorry, I can't track this. You know, I don't think I have. Yeah. It's- I'll keep an eye out for that. It's bad. It feels bad, man. It feels real bad. Maybe he's not throwing himself all over the bed. You know, like you do. You know? Are you working out right now? Yeah, right? You're not asleep. Yeah. Jeez. Well, it's good to hear from you, you know? Likewise. Frequent boosters, so we always appreciate that. appreciate the support. Can I also comment last week, The question you guys asked was a game that has kept you busy.
One that has kept me busy is called Space Engineers. It's kind of like a Minecraft in space, but I was playing it since it came out in early access, and it finally released like a year ago. Very fun. Is this a desktop or a mobile? It's a desktop app. Okay. Desktop game. All right. And if you want to host your own server, you can do that too. Oh, boy. All right, space engineers. I'm going to look it up after the show. Hopefully you didn't just do me. You know, Dylan might really like it, actually. Great. If he likes the Minecraft and making mods, there's a whole... You can actually write your own custom scripts in the game.
Oh, really? To do all kinds of cool automation. Is it like an in-game scripting language? No, it's C-sharp. Oh, no. No way. Literally C-sharp. Hilarious. That's great. Okay. Space engineers. Thank you, Mr. Adversaries. It's nice to chat with you. As well. Thank you both. Yeah, you have a good rest of your day. Yeah, you too. Call again. All right, Andrews, what do you think? With that, should we do a little boosts? All right, so our first boost this week comes from Otterbrain. He got in first with the timing, and he gets the first slot with 3,000 sats. Yeah, buddy. My first computer that my parents got the family was a TI-99-4A.
I learned a bit of basic, and I stored the code to a cassette tape. Is the TI-99, is that the one that's just a keyboard, and it has a coax output that you hook up to the TV? Yes. Oh, my gosh. Yeah, I had one of these from a garage sale. Yes, you did. These are so cool. Very neat. Yeah, they don't do a lot. But, you know, we didn't care back then. We didn't care. We could do something. All right, look at this. It's High Five Connoisseur. He's back. Oh, he's right there, and he's fully functional. He sent us 3,000 sets to say, my friends went very far, got very far into Call of Duty.
Oh, yeah, we used to play some serious Medal of Honor. Yep. We got deep in the metal on it. And Battlefield 19. Yeah. What is it? It was one of the early, 1942? I can't, I don't know. 1984, the book ruined me. So I always, yeah. I'm like, which number was it? Battlefield 1984. That would be a good one. Many nights passing around the controller into the wee hours. He says, Chris, you could do an RV home and automation consulting. Especially with privacy concerned folks. You know, I agree. Keeping it all local in the RV, keeping it private. it. I just don't know who the customer is and how to reach them.
But the thing I was just mentioning early in the show about we go to bed and it's 71, 72 degrees and it can go all the way down to 65 and it comes back up around 5 a.m. That's just like one of a thousand things that the RV just takes care of for us now because of automation from lighting to internet and all of that. And it's so great. It all works offline, no cloud subscription. I'd love to help somebody set that up. Speaking of adversaries 17, he's back in the booths with a tasty burger and 5,000 sets. How come we didn't get Dylan's favorite game? Oh, that's a good catch.
Nothing gets past him. We did try. Yeah, so he participated in the members pre-show last week, but during the show, he was doing his English. Yeah. You knew he must have been a little shy because he'd rather do the homework than come on the show. Right? Yeah. This boy does not. He does not like English. He doesn't like doing homework. In fact, he thinks all work should be done in school. But we could both see him. Well, I could definitely see him. But he was smiling while we were doing the show. And he really enjoyed being here for the live show. But it definitely is Minecraft for him.
Definitely. Let's take a call. Why not? I'm taking him to the front of the line today. Let's do it. I say it's time. Let's bring our caller in. Hello, caller. Where are you calling from? I'm calling from Ontario, Canada. Hello, Ontario, Canada. And who's this? Phoebe on the Matrix rooms. Hello. Oh, welcome into the launch. It's nice to chat with you. Yeah, for sure. You know, I'm going to ask you about your sleep habits, but why are you calling today? Actually, I was calling about the sleep habit stuff. Oh, perfect. All right. So are you a good sleeper or a rough sleeper like me? I have possibly one of the worst sleeps that anyone could ever wish for.
What's the opposite of wish? Of course. Right. But so I had gone for sleep studies like 20 years ago. And every single time the doctor or the technicians had always told me, yeah, we can tell something's wrong, but we have no idea what it is. Oh, that's so frustrating. Yeah. So a couple of years ago, I was talking with my doctor and she said, why don't you go for a sleep study? And I said, nah, forget it. It's just, there's no point. And she convinced me, no, no, it's gotten much better. The science is much better. I said, okay, sure. And in the meantime, before I went for my appointment, I started paying attention, to my uh sleep study uh not sleep study my sleep tracking results and i'm looking at them thinking come on like this can't be real like this is this thing's got to be worthless because.
The number was so bad you admit you just must not be reading right is that is that what you were thinking. Well it was it was showing it was showing like um uh what's it called not the run sleep but like the the deep sleep yeah yeah it was showing it like kind of like like erratic and i'm thinking okay this thing is not sitting on my wrist right something's wrong but anyways went into the sleep study did the study darth calls me back and says well you have fractured sleep it turns out it's sleep maintenance insomnia whereas it's not a problem necessarily falling asleep it's a problem staying asleep yeah and the way he he described it was it's like someone is standing next to you and poking you nonstop just until the point where you wake up and then they stop, but you kind of fall back asleep again and then keep going.
And he said it looked like this was happening hundreds of times a night. Wow. Or throughout the eight hours or whatever. Wow. And then I looked back at my sleep tracker and I thought. It's right. Okay, actually, yeah, this thing was right. So if I had listened, paid attention, that would have, yeah. It kind of feels like, I wonder if you have this similar thing. It feels like that experience, if you've ever had it when you're nodding off while driving and you go, nope, I can't fall asleep. I sometimes have that when I'm trying to fall asleep, too, is just as I fall asleep, oh, I better not fall asleep.
And then my body wakes myself up again. And it's so frustrating. Do you have that or is it different? Like you don't even really realize it's happening. So I also have ADHD. I seem to have it pretty hard. and what the sleep doctor so for me incidentally falling asleep is also very very difficult um there were i would say it would be more often than not that trying to fall asleep i would just be staring at the ceiling trying to will myself to sleep but nothing's happening and then i check my you know my watch or my phone what time is it it's like two three in the morning and i'm just I'm just not asleep.
So there was a period of time I was taking melatonin and that kind of helped me. But, no, for me, falling asleep is, it's easier for me to be awake. I'm usually very tired throughout the day, but I don't want to sleep. Right, because it's so frustrating. If that makes sense. Low energy. Low energy. Yeah. You've learned to adapt to the low energy without sleep, and trying to fall asleep is so damn frustrating, you might as well just be up and do something. Exactly. And the doctor's solution was two steps. First step was to take, I can't remember what it was called. I'm trying to think now.
Anyways, it was effectively what it was, was a neural suppressant. Apparently, it was like I had to go through a bunch of steps to actually get the medication because it was commonly used for, I don't know if you want me to say this on the show, but for no longer being in this world. Wow. So they were very cautious about, you know, take one pill, do not take a second one, and take it before you get into bed. Don't take it and go brush your teeth. Take it and get into bed. and I thought yeah yeah yeah whatever took the first pill went to brush my teeth and I walked into the wall I don't know how many times it was like a it was yeah it was like it was like a switch it was like an on-off switch um so I told the doctor yeah I'm not keen on this she convinced me to try it for one month and supposedly sometimes it helps people reset their uh their clocks but didn't work for me my my solution my my kill move was I shouldn't say that uh especially in the context of what I just said a minute ago.
The thing that worked for me very well is tryptophan. Oh. Like a supplement? Like the stuff in turkey. Right. Exactly. Turkey. That's exactly it. It's the thing when you eat turkey. It makes you sleepy. That's exactly what it is. But it's like multiple turkeys in one pill. And the reason why it works so well is because that actually metabolizes into melatonin, but it gets to your brain much more efficiently than taking a melatonin pill. So that has pretty much, I've never felt, I've never felt better since taking that. And it's basically, well, it's thanks to my doctor, but, you know, if I had paid attention to my sleep tracker from the very beginning, that would have put me on the right track a long time ago.
Do you recall the brand you like of tryptophan? Are you getting it just from like Amazon? No. So the tryptophan I'm taking, so in Canada, it's, of course, I'm not like paying for it too much, but it's a prescription. It's through the doctor. The doctor prescribes it. That's great. And the reason why that's good is because then my insurance will pay for it. So what you just said about getting it from Amazon, that's kind of the problem with melatonin too. This is what the sleep clinic people were telling me, is that the problem with the melatonin that you buy off the shelf is that it's not regulated.
It's basically a natural health product. So if the bottle says 5 milligrams, each pill might only have 0.1 milligrams or it might have 10. There's no regulation or consistency. And that's why they actually recommend against taking melatonin, because the results are wild. It's not reliable. Nobody's double-checking. Yeah, right. Yeah. So I would think that something off of Amazon would have the same issue. Right. You said that the doctor had a two-step process. The first was that pill that made you walk into the wall. Was the second step the L-tryptophan or was it?
That's right. Yeah, yeah. Oh, okay. All right. Yeah. Do you know how many milligrams you're taking of it? The way they do it is they start you off at like, I don't know if it's the max dose, but it's just whatever she put me on. It was 12 grams. Wow. Okay. Yeah. Dang. Sounds like more than a couple turkeys. So and the funny here's the funny thing is she actually warned me she said uh so when you take a high dose it's probably going to be too much but it's not going to have any side effects you'll just feel a little bit groggy in the morning but that's actually good because the the good thing is that what you do is if you're waking up groggy in the morning then after about a week of doing that you drop down to like by one so they're 500 milligram So, you know, you keep dropping down until you get to the point where you're no longer feeling groggy, you're feeling refreshed.
So for me, that's six grams. Interesting. So you just sort of walk it back to us at the right spot and dial it in. Interesting. But she did warn me. She said, when you start off with a dose that's higher than what you need, she did warn me, as you're falling asleep, you might feel electrical shocks all over your body. Which was funny because I'm thinking like, what? But what it is, is your brain, because with the flooding of melatonin, your brain is trying to go to sleep. So it's trying to shut off that part of your brain that connects to the rest of the body. So it's trying to shut off and you're still awake. So you're kind of fighting that.
So it results in this weird jolting feeling. And the first time I felt it, I thought I was being struck by lightning. Wow. I feel this already. I feel it now. I get like these surges of what feels like energy or electricity in like my shoulder or in my arm and I have to move my arm and it has to move around or else I can't get rid of it. And sometimes it's in my legs or it's in my lower back. CB, what happens if you forget to take it or do you have like five alarms so that you don't forget to take it? And when do you take it? Do you take it just before bed or do you take it with your dinner or what does that look like?
Yeah, so you avoid any kind of protein with it because it itself is a protein. So if you take other forms of protein, and that includes chocolate. So if you take any other kind of protein, it just doesn't absorb as well. Interesting. So you take it, like don't take it with dinner then was what you're saying. Yeah. So basically you take it before, like basically about 45 minutes before you expect to want to fall asleep. So you take it, you know, you want to go to sleep at 1030, you take it at, you know, 945 kind of thing. Fascinating. I'm going to look into this. This is great.
Yeah. I'm glad to hear it's helping you. And this is why I wanted to call in because you guys are talking about sleep issues. This is honestly, in addition to taking ADHD meds for the first time, this has been like the biggest, like, in terms of medical, life-changing, positive things in my life. I can imagine. I mean, just having more energy and a little clearer mind, just a huge upgrade. Yeah. Like, it's not a cure-all, right? It's just it's given me an extra bit of boost in terms of actually getting restful enough sleep that I don't feel like. And when I say keeling over, I mean, like, sometimes I feel like I could just face plant onto a bed or couch and just sleep.
But it would never happen because my brain won't let that happen unless I take the tryptophan. Interesting. To your other question about do I forget to take it? No, no, I don't forget to take it because it's so, it's such a positive thing that there is no way that I could forget to take it. Right. Yeah, and I get that. But yeah, it's like it's a it's it's a total life changer. Combine that, you know, for me, it was like the CPAP mask made a huge upgrade. Now, if I could just get the sleep when I actually sleep better, I think I'd be in pretty good shape.
Well, thank you so much, CB. That was really good information. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Really appreciate it. All right. Well, call in again soon, won't you? I will do. All right. Have a good one. Thanks for calling. All right. Love the show. Thank you, sir. And we got a row of ducks from Odyssey Westra who came in, said, say, love the song by Ollie. So I think he was sending that to the Ollie song. Thank you. Odyssey, it's always nice to hear from you too. Makes Andrew smile. I know that. She says, oh, there's Odyssey coming in. Mm-hmm.
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I know nothing about EVs. Like, I don't even know. Like, I know the Leaf is one, but. And of course, the Teslas. The movie looking car. Oh, I guess so. Yeah. No, I am all about the environment and stuff, but I have zero interest in EV. Well, and a lot of these are like, you know, they're essentially cloud connected, right? Like you've never been big on like the privacy invasion stuff. And these are all up in your biz. Yeah. I'll tell you, there is one turd that I'm looking at, though, that could change my tune, but it's not going to be available until like mid-2026, 2027, which is fine by me, but.
Is it a DeLorean? Oh, that'd be so awesome. No, it's so cool, though. It's called the Rivian R3X. And I've been obsessing over this for the last couple of weeks, actually. It's a hot hatchback, like my GTI, but it's also an EV. And it's got just all the things I like. Performance. It's got a little bit of clearance. It's got off-road tires, but still a great on-road driver. Looks like a Mini Cooper. Yeah, it's sort of a hatchback. I'm looking at it from the side, though. Yeah. It's just a little bit, you know, kind of like my Golf, but bigger. Yeah.
Right up my alley, actually. And Rivian makes some great cars. So if you could, you know, Rivian might be something to look into, turd. They've got some good stuff out there right now. Wait, did you say Rivian? Yeah. Oh, I've seen those on the road. And I asked Dylan, like, what model of car is that? And he's like, it's a Rivian. And I'm like, well, what's the make? And he's like, Rivian. And I'm like, it's a Rivian Rivian? No, they've got, like, the R1 out right now. Okay. And maybe they're working on an R2, and they've got a couple iterations. And this will be the R3. Oh, okay. Yeah, that's what I was looking for. It's like, what is the distinguishing? Okay.
Yeah, and they've got a very unique look. Like, you probably noticed that front headlight. Dude, no. Well, first I noticed the brake light is the same as the headlight. Oh, yeah, yeah. Right? Like, yeah, the long. Big bar. Yeah, big bar. I prefer that over these little tiny can't see. I know. Make it obvious. Make it obvious. Loud and proud. Yeah. Let us know what you decide, Turd. It's a tough call right now out there. I think in a couple of years you're going to be totally spoiled with options. But at the moment, it's, I mean, there's great options. The prices are coming down. So I don't know. You tell us. All right. Thank you, everybody, who boosted in.
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Key to unlock family history and possibly improve one's own health. My DNA journey started here with 23andMe. But now 23andMe, the company that has collected genetic samples from millions of customers, is filing for bankruptcy. I'm the California Attorney General. I'm also a consumer. It's a decision that's best for me to delete today. Attorney General Rob Bonta says he's deleting his 23andMe account and others should consider doing the same thing. What is your biggest concern about this bankruptcy? That the private sensitive data and information of 14 million consumers who have used 23andMe could get into the wrong hands.
In a statement, 23andMe says it will continue operating its business in the ordinary course during bankruptcy proceedings, adding there are no changes to the way the company stores, manages or protects customer data. But in 2023, a cyber breach exposed the data of nearly 7 million customers. 23andMe settled a lawsuit for $30 million. Last fall, the company announced it was letting go of hundreds of employees and closing its therapeutics division because profits were dropping. Still, co-founder Ann Wojcicki sounded upbeat about 23andMe's future at the time. Is the company still viable, in your opinion?
100%. Is it? Yes. I believe in the company. I believe in the long-term mission. But I believe it's essential for us to restructure. Posting today that her belief in the company and its future is unwavering. Wojcicki says she is stepping down as CEO so she can possibly buy the company back herself if the court allows it to be auctioned off. And whoever buys it will have to follow the original privacy statements, according to 23andMe. But that doesn't mean those privacy statements can't change in the future. I. Glenn Cohen is a Harvard Law professor. What is your message to customers today about 23andMe?
Pay careful, close attention to what happens next. Be careful about clicking through anything that looks like a change in the privacy statement. So, Stephanie, what does this mean if you want to? So the CEO steps down to potentially buy it. I just think that's a really interesting twist. And there's a couple of companies out there. You're a customer of this one? And how do you feel about this whole thing? You know, we went through the same thing not that long ago. And I don't know, my first gut reaction was, oh, no, somebody's going to take my data and solve Hashimoto's. You know, like, oh, no, they're going to find a better cure for something.
You know, I just like what could they really do? But I mean, they could restrict access to this data that otherwise, you know, when I signed up was available like that. That could suck. Sharing it with maybe insurance companies, I suppose, or some worst case like that. Yeah, that also I feel like I feel like obviously there's holes everywhere, but there's enough transparency and regulation that if insurance were to deny based on a report from a genetic thing that they would have to state that and have a hearing or a mitigation process. Like, sure. But also insurance already knows the medical stuff you're getting done.
Right. So it's not like I don't know what's going on. Yeah. And like, so would it be so anybody that could buy 23andMe is a crook? You know, anybody that's big. I mean, yes, there's a lot of, a lot of, but like, I don't know. Like Google buying, it would be creepy. There's so much hype about this. Yeah, for sure. And it feels really unnecessary. I think it's always been a company that's under that particular kind of magnifying glass. It always, you know, when they had the data breach, it was a ginormous deal. Right. Well, yeah, it was half the users apparently, but.
So you're not too concerned though, it sounds like? I'm not. Are you going to go in there and tell it to delete anything? Oh, that's what I was going to say. That clip kind of does a disservice. You know, I'm deleting my account. Well, it's not, you don't just delete your account. There are, there's a list of steps that you need to do if you really want your data gone. Like you don't just delete your account. So if you're listening and think about that, like look up the proper way to unauthorize use of your data prior to deleting your account. Yeah.
It's such an interesting idea that I want this to be something that is accessible to everybody because like if the glucose tracking and the sleep tracking has helped me figure out a little bit what's going on, even if I haven't solved it yet, I'm at least on the road to solving it, which gives me some peace of mind. Right. And I feel like results from 23andMe would sort of be the same thing. So I'd love people to have access to it. But then you see this kind of stuff and it scares me away from doing it. So, I actually exported my raw data from 23andMe before the big scare of what they were doing with your data and brought it to a naturopath who interpreted it and told me what was going on with my body. And it actually really helped.
Unfortunately, I still went into anaphylactic shock doing allergy suppression stuff. Right, right. But I found out I have a histamine intolerance. I'm sorry, deficiency. Well, I guess, same thing. histamine deficiency so um i just react really strongly and i just can't handle that so like leftover food is a problem is high histamine you know because as food ages so. No leftovers huh. No i mean i shouldn't no it's it's causing a bunch of inflammation um and so it it has steered me in directions you know what i was going to tell you is my great aunt had said happy birthday to somebody I went to school with, right?
She said, happy birthday, Ryan, cousin Ryan. And I was like, whoa. And so I don't want to identify names, but I was like, what is going on here? And so I went to school with somebody I'm related to. That's crazy, didn't even know it. That is my cousin. Yeah, like a second cousin once removed or something. And he clearly hasn't done 23andMe because I haven't seen his name pop up there, but he's actually on TV. Yeah. He has a show. Who knew? Yeah. That's interesting. I definitely would be, as I get a little older, I think I wouldn't mind knowing a little bit of the back family tree a little bit.
Knowing what's in the recipe a little bit. Knowing what's coming down the pipe. So I don't know. Yeah. I remember first doing my 23andMe test. I dropped it in the mailbox and I posted on Facebook like, now I'm going to find out if my mom is related to me or something like that. And what's funny is I was 50% my dad and 49.8% my mom. I don't know what the other 0.2% is. I'd be curious to know that mix. Could you imagine some of the bombshells that people discover? Let's do it. I mean, I don't know. I got to think about it. You want to sell your DNA, right?
Well, maybe after they're done with the whole thing. And if it goes to somebody that's trustworthy, I don't know. Maybe I will. Could you imagine if I discovered like one of my parents wasn't my parent? That'd be, what a story. Would I share it on air? I mean, you'd almost have to. It's such great content. How could you not? Screw privacy. All right. Okay. I want to talk about one of my pet peeves. I want to see if you can pick up on this. So it starts with this news report of winter on a boat. How do you do winter on a boat when you're, you know, at the slip and it's cold? Well, this gets into the fun, adorable, quaint life on a boat.
New at 6, on board a community in Boston. People who've decided to live on a boat instead of paying the high cost of housing. But in the name of comfort, what do they do in the wintertime? WBZ's Mike Sullivan visited a marina in Charlestown to see the conditions firsthand. Two by two, row by row, the rain falling pitter-patter on the plastic. There's something visually poetic about life on a wintry vessel. This is living the life, really. It's visually poetic. It's living the life. You just have to not have 30 pairs of shoes. You will often find Larry Anderson buried in cables, his eyes affixed to a screen.
He's not giving up anything. He just doesn't have 30 pairs of shoes, but he's got screens, he's got electricity. I rent year-round here. It's been my eighth year here. He's a video editor by trade, a liveaboard by Lifestyle. I changed my Instagram to Larry Lives on a Boat, and I think it's more popular just for that. His boat is docked at Constitution Marina in Charlestown, along with roughly 50 others. This has to be a really close-knit, like, quirky community, I have to assume. Yes, you can assume that. The neighbors call out to each other by name. They love each other. They all know their name. They're quirky.
Even share cold nights at a nearby hotel pool. Every Friday night, they turn it up to hot tub level, and everybody strolls over there with beer and wine and whatever, and it's sort of lining the outside of the pool. All right, all the boomers in the pool, everybody. It's boomer party night at the marina. All right, so now here's another news report about living in the RV. Let's see if this one's different. RVs are starting to pop up almost everywhere on Longmont streets, but it's not people camping, it's people living. And now the city's trying to do something to get these homes on wheels to move along.
What are they doing? They're living in there? They're not even camping? Number 7's Jason Grinauer found out. Tonight the problem is, move along to where? there's just nowhere to go. For Dustin and his dog, this 23-foot Winnebago is home. Of course, that's a mocking tone, and this has gone from cute and quaint to desperate and sad. The rental prices in Boulder County are terrible. Just out of control. He has the freedom to go anywhere. The problem is where to park. You spend the night in front of a business that's, open at night, you know, and then you move during the day. I've been kicked out of about 20 places in just the last six months.
We're not trying to prohibit that activity or limit anyone's right to live in a vehicle. Sean Lewis is Longmont's assistant city manager. If you can move that vehicle every 48 hours, then no one neighborhood is negatively affected, and that's the complaint we've gotten from some of our residents. A new ordinance passed its first city council test last night. Right now, legally, RVs have to move at least an inch every 24 hours. Soon, they may have to move to another city block 600 feet every 48 hours. We really want to try to balance those different computers. It's just like it's a torture. I mean, if you could think about what a painted ass is to move all your stuff every 48 hours, I get why they do it.
But there is an interesting little bit of narrative here. So the person living in a boat and the person living in the RV, In a lot of cases, not all that much different. The person living in a boat is one incident on their boat, one problem on their boat, one failed payment to the dock is a day or two away from living in the RV. Make no mistake about it. And the reality is, is some people choose to live in RVs, but they always portray it as the sad, dilapidated thing. broken down lifestyle. But I will tell you with absolute confidence, I would rather live in an RV than a boat any day of the week. These boats are crap.
They have crappy wooden doors. You have to wrap them in plastic in the evening. They don't have very nice amenities. The toilets are junk. The cooking areas are crap. This total space is tight and you have to be on the water, which is moving all the time. And in the winter, you can obviously imagine how much worse that makes things. So it is immensely, immensely more enjoyable to live in an RV in the winter than it would be a boat. But the news doesn't care. That's not how they talk about it. The boat is quaint. The boomers have a pool party. It's great. And the RV is sad. They've got to move along. They can't be here anymore. They're dirty. They're gross. They're run down.
The reality is housing is too expensive for everybody. And the people choosing to live in boats are only just about a bit of an inch away from living in an RV or somewhere else. And this has got to be one of my pet peeves because some of these RVs, not all of them, are really nice. Now, it's obviously a problem, too, like along the streets. Like we see here in Washington, there can just be rows and rows of RVs with garbage everywhere. Frick, in Seattle, they come around and they dump your tanks for you. They have complimentary dump service in some parts of Seattle.
That's crazy. I should just move down there. I've got to do my own dumping right now. Yeah, because you love Seattle. Well, I hate dumping. You would not want to drive an RV in Seattle. No. No, I'd just park it. It's just, I don't know. Throughout my life, I've experienced things that I didn't expect. I think family members wouldn't have preconceived notions about me choosing to live in an RV. But no, they do. I thought, but don't you know me? Have you looked at the property taxes in Washington and the cost of homes? Have you looked at the situation? Like this is a strategic choice.
Not only that, but like the maintenance. There's still maintenance on our RV, but house maintenance and keeping up with all that and all the space. And the yard. And it becomes cluttered. And then you don't like neighbors either. That's true. You don't like walking out the front door and being greeted by somebody when you just want to get to work. That is very true. That is, that is, I really don't want to have, I don't mind being social with my neighbor, but not when I'm just trying to do something. Right. You know, like, ah, just let me take out the trash. Let me get into the car.
It has been a thing in the past, as you can probably guess. I don't know. That's just one of my pet peeves is the way the media can shape those narratives. Like boat living could be just as awful as RV living and vice versa. Even worse. It's way smaller. Yes. It's way smaller and constant motion sickness. There's no way I could do that. And there's so fewer marinas to choose from than RV parks. And they're likely doing it for the same reason as RV parks. I mean, like just really. Thank you. That's all. That's all. Where's your ding?
Here we go. You get it. You're right. there you go thank you there you go and also one of these yes just whoof, All right, there you go. I think that's just it. I had to get that off my chest, everybody. Can you imagine how hard it was for me? It's rough. But we'd love to hear from you. Don't forget, you can call. We do have that phone number, obviously, and we'd love to hear from you. But also, you can go to weeklylaunch.rocks. We have a contact page up there. And then we do love your boost as well. With the podcasting, Twitter app, and some sats, you can support the show and send us a message. So with that, I say, let's wrap it up. Thank you, everybody.
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This is The Launch, Episode 15 for March 25th, 2025. Streaming from the beautiful Pacific Northwest and the mighty American West Coast, we greet you all a good morning, a good evening, or whenever your timeline may fall. time-appropriate greetings, indeed, to one and to all. This is the launch. My name is Chris. And I'm Angela. Hello, Andrews. We have a lot to get into today, so I want everyone to know a few things before we get started. We'd love it if you called us. We'll have the phone lines going here in just a moment, and you can call.
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And then we have the Launch HQ chat room, which is linked over on our website at weeklylaunch.rocks. Come on in. Get in that chat room. It's going all week long. Well, hello, Andrews. Welcome back. We did it. It's episode six, also known as 15. Yes. And this week, I thought we should talk about something everybody talks about. When you suggested it, I was like, this is one of my favorite topics. Everybody eats, everybody poops, and everybody sleeps. Oh, which one are we going to talk about? Today we're going to do sleep because a lot of us could do sleep better, I think. And if you want to call in and tell us about your sleep habits or your sleep problems, the phone line is open now.
So you suggested this, and I'm curious where you're at with sleep habits in general and what you're thinking about. Yeah. So... I record my sleep. I wear my Apple Watch at night and I like I can get a sense for how I feel, but it's really I'm a data person. I need to see how that data looks and and then I make decisions based on that. You know, that's logical to do with data. Are you using the built in Apple sleep stuff or using a specific sleep tracking app? I'm not using an external app. I did attempt that at one point, but I couldn't get it to connect or to feed back to the health app. in oh yeah you.
Do want to have it in the health app if you can. Yeah i agree. With you the sleep data as somebody who has sleep apnea and is trying to just manage it crazy valuable for actually making action and decisions. Yeah um but i am currently like if so i went out of state this weekend and i ended up being awake for 48 hours oh yeah how. Did that happen were. You just. Being crazy or they just couldn't sleep. Uh no no i just i did karaoke night and then um abby wasn't feeling good and then uh it was a very early morning flight we're an hour from the airport and you're supposed to get there two hours early and just like so many things so uh it just was an early flight yeah uh just didn't have a chance and then and then we landed it was only like uh an hour and a half flight oh yeah but we can't check into our hotel yeah right that's the worst when, But the thing is, is I have only pulled an all nighter once before in my memory.
And that was like in eighth grade. So I'm just no good. I am very specific about my sleep. I need minimum eight hours, you know. And yeah, I know that like for you, that that would be a dream. Yeah, but yeah, I need eight hours and I am still feeling the effects of lack of sleep. Like I get my memory is the first thing to go. like and so I've just been apologizing to the kids Dylan's making a bit out of it like how long are you going to blame it on your sleep mom and it's really funny it's great but I just apologize like hey in fact, I asked the kids why they didn't bring the garbage to the end of the driveway Friday morning.
Thinking it was garbage day. Yeah, because that was my garbage day for 12 years. But it hasn't been for the last couple of years. Now you know what you're going to be like when you're in your golden years. It is a glimpse of the future. So the other thing is caffeine really affects me, which I found out from my 23andMe data. But, yeah, so if I drink caffeine after like noon or one, I won't be able to go to sleep. It will just be impossible. My hard cutoff is three, but I really try to be done by about one or two. That's crazy. I didn't think you actually had a cutoff.
Yeah, only because I'm just doing everything I can. Oh, right. Yes. Good sleep hygiene. Yeah, if it's one thing, you know, I can. One less thing. So I've actually, I try to schedule all the shows for the most part to be earlier in the day. So I can get it in that window. Well, yeah. I mean, I think you'll agree that we are both pretty useless after like 7 or 8 p.m. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, you know, like I tried to do a formula the other night on this, you know, on the wake of this lack of sleep and wake of the life. Anyway, and at 8 o'clock. And I was just like, I don't even know how to make this formula.
Oh, I noticed it because in the morning I'll wake up sometimes and I'll play Mario or something on the TV. and I am some kind of wizard. It's unbelievable. Like somebody should get a camera out and capture the magic that's happening on screen. And then like 8 p.m., I'll be playing and I'm constantly dying. I get frustrated. I'm constantly handing the controller to Dylan. I'm just going to finish this for me. Yeah, he told me that he was doing it for you. That's funny. Yeah, because I just get, ah, this is no longer fun. Finish it. So yeah, and for me, it also takes, for me, it's weird. Like if I don't sleep, like I didn't sleep much last night. I probably got 45 minutes of sleep.
I'll be fine today. It's tomorrow. Oh, that's really interesting. Yeah. That's how I am with exercise. You know, like if I do, well, let's say bowling, right? If I go bowling, I'll feel it a little bit in my glutes that day. But then the next day, it's horrible. I think it's lactic buildup or something. It is. So do you have like an emergency recovery regime that you go into? Do you have like, I got to get my sleep back on track? Well, the number one troubleshooting for any ailments or suffering that you have is hydrate. I thought you were going to say get drunk.
No. Oh, I know. It's the opposite of hydrating. No, yeah. No, it's to hydrate. And it's not great for sleep either. Yeah. So hydrate, caffeine reduction, and then just trying to get to bed earlier, which doesn't always work because I'll just wake up earlier. Yeah, that's true. And I feel like doo-doo if I wake up earlier. So it is a strange balance. I have been using electrolytes more to help me sleep at night because I think it helps with restless legs. So I combine electrolytes with doctor's best high absorption magnesium glycate. Um, it's the kind that's easy on your stomach. And I take two of those each night, you know, about an hour or two before bed. And I hope that helps too.
I'll put a link to that in the show notes if I remember. I got a, uh, magnesium cream. Oh yeah. Uh, that I've been using, um, on Abby. Yeah. To try to help her. Yeah. That's good too, because that can be stuff that the gut can't quite handle. Right. So this has got to be a particular type of magnesium. Otherwise it can give you a stomach. Magnolia mayhem says, man, I got so quote hydrated and quote last weekend, bro. way to go. Yeah yeah i uh i also um try if i can to stop eating by about six or seven o'clock but that's because i also have a really slow gut which i'll get into in a little bit um and so i just try to be done eating early enough that i'm not.
Oh yeah no i eat dinner at 4 30 and that's it for the rest of the night. And that's. Because i have to take my thyroid medication. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. That, yeah. These things still, I still don't, I still sleep for crap sometimes. It's, uh, it's, it's, it builds up. It's this weird thing. I noticed it cause I went to scale and I slept through every single night. I didn't sleep great, but I slept through every single night at scale. And then, um, when I got back, I've progressively slept less and less and less since I've been back. weird and I think it's I think it's got to be in part like my daily routine at least for the first like the front first half of the week I'm um I don't really get much activity outside of just working and then by the second half of the week I'm kind of exhausted so I don't want to do anything and then I have then I can't sleep and I got like twitches and I my legs kick and so.
If I know that I'm going to be in a situation where I won't be able to sleep like for example sleep in Like if I can't go to bed earlier and I need to rely on sleeping in to get enough sleep, I will take a one-to-one gummy. Yeah, that could help. Do you do that? I've tried, and usually something that's got like melatonin in it too or something, but that stuff only works like one or two nights for me. Oh, well, definitely not daily. Yeah, no. And then, yeah. Yeah, every now and then. Yeah, you're right. Like if that's the trick with that stuff is use it very sparingly, I think. And then when you do use it, it actually has some impact. But for me, I adapt pretty quick.
Looks like we have a poll in the Launch HQ chat of what time do you eat dinner? Oh, interesting. I have answered. I'm going to go because I should be doing it. I'm going to say 6 p.m. Looks like most people in the live chat are 5 p.m. That's pretty early. Whenever you hear people going out for dinner in the movies, they're always going out at like 8 p.m. Right. I know. It's so weird. Yeah. And mine's at 4. I'm the one vote at 4 p.m. I wonder if that's regional. The kids get home from school and I just start making dinner for them. They come home hungry. Yeah. I come home hungry. I get home and it's like, it's time to eat.
I got to eat something. I basically got to eat every couple of hours, really, if I'm not careful. I want to know what the audience does sleep, like what their sleep hygiene is like. Oh, you know, sometimes my brain keeps me up or a headache or a migraine. Yeah. But because I get a monthly migraine. It's awesome. But I can quiet my brain. It makes me because I have not been diagnosed with attention deficit of any kind, but I definitely squirrel a lot, you know. But the fact that I can fall asleep within 10 minutes of laying down. Oh, that's great.
Yeah. Wow. That's a superpower. I know. Yeah. It is. It is pretty great. Sometimes it's not like that, but more often than not, I am falling asleep within 10 minutes. Yeah, I still go to audiobooks. That helps me. I have to find just the right audiobook that is interesting enough to hold my attention, but not so interesting I mind missing large parts of the plot. And if I find that audiobook, I can listen to that, and that helps keep me distracted. Or like a long YouTube video. It can't be a short one because it can't be switching while I'm trying to go to sleep.
Weighted blanket. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I use a weighted blanket. I think it's a 20-pound. It's great. And then a heated blanket, which I only use during the cold season. But both of those help me. And I guess you're supposed to be cold when you go to sleep, but my body temperature doesn't regulate. So what I've been doing is when we go to bed, it's about 72 degrees in the room. And then as we sleep over the night, I let it drop down to about 67, 65 maybe, depending on ambient temperature. And then around 5 a.m., it starts bringing the temperature back up again. I love that.
The thermostat at the house has that cycle, but I just keep it on hold. So I haven't, but also because I need to reprogram the time and I don't know how to do that. You know, you could always swap that thing out. It's pretty simple a wire. I think I need to. Actually, I think the whole furnace needs to be replaced. And when I do that, I'll just upgrade it entirely. Yeah. I was surprised it's like two wires for a thermostat or three wires. Really? Oh, yeah. I saw there's a new one here. Yeah. Yeah. That one's nice because it ties in with home assistant so that is cool I also have it set on location so if I'm not here for a day it drops it down to 65 so it's not running all the time alright you know what I want, I want you to boost in. How much sleep do you get each night?
Do you have a very important pre-sleep habit that maybe you could share with us? And are you doing any sleep tracking? I want to know if our audience nerds out on this because Ann and I nerd out on this. Yes, we do. And I think the data is useful. So take to your podcasting 2.0 app, support the show, and boost in with how much sleep you get if you have a pre-sleep habit and if you're doing any kind of tracking. And we'll read it on episode 16. and beyond. Well, the next level of nerd trackery for body stuff, and I think perhaps maybe the most important by a mile that could change your life, is glucose tracking.
And I've obviously gotten insights from this because my wife, Adia, is a type 1 diabetic and she has to manage her blood sugar levels quite closely. And she uses the traditional method where she pokes her finger and she takes a little stick and it measures it in a little device and then she takes action. And you can buy those. Anybody can buy those at Walmart now and things like that. But I wanted to play around with some of the more experimental, continuous glucose monitoring tools out there. And this is such a treat. And I've been playing around for just a couple of days with the Lingo Continuous Glucose Monitor made by Abbott.
And it's a biosensor that measures your glucose response to food, exercise, and, you know, other lifestyle factors. And it's streaming that data to your phone 24-7. And then they have an app that displays it to you in real time. So, like, when we started the show, my blood sugar level was at 88. And as we go right now, it's at 102 because I ate a little bit before the show. And this just sits right on your skin. It has a little filament that sits below the skin. And it comes with, like, a popper application that you pop onto your arm. It's quick. Sometimes it stings a little bit, and then it's done.
And then they use NFC, so you tap the phone to the little thing that's on your arm now, and it immediately pairs over Bluetooth LE. And then it just tells you real-time what your blood sugar levels are and gives you charts and history and stuff like that. I saw this link in the show notes, but you hadn't typed all this up yet, or at least it wasn't in the doc. So I was thinking, ooh, I should try this. I didn't know you had tried it. And I am concerned about allergic reaction to the filament. Yeah. And and then just the Bluetooth, like, of course, it's Bluetooth. Of course, it's transmitting Bluetooth. That just didn't even occur to me.
It's like a low power Bluetooth, I think. I'm sure. Yeah, of course. Yeah. Yeah. And so this is so, so useful for me. I'll tell you why I like it. And I'll tell you the pros and cons that I found so far. so high level I don't know if you guys care about this stuff if you want me to go into more detail I can but high level is I seem to have like a slower than average gut particularly in the evenings, and I also don't get a lot of activity during show days like I mentioned which can help with digestion and so, I kind of am hypoglycemic in a sense where I start to get really aggressive blood sugar crashes that come on really fast.
Like I go from I'm fine and 10 minutes later, I got to eat something. I'm starting to get sick. And if I go much longer, I actually start throwing up. And I can get caught in a loop where I eat something, but then I throw it up. And so I can't get my blood sugar up. And then I can actually be sick for quite a while. And it can be extremely difficult to like get out of this cycle. and compounded by the fact that I seem to digest things slower. So even if I take something, as soon as I notice, it can take quite a while before it gets digested, which is what I've been observing, before it actually impacts my glucose levels.
So even if I fixed it, I can still sometimes be crashing for a while and there's nothing else I can do but just wait for my gut to do its thing. And the idea being with a continuous glucose monitor is I could potentially catch it early as it begins to trend downwards and take care of it, eat some protein, something like that. Eat a Kit Kat. Yeah, whatever it is, which could have a big impact on smoothing out energy level, getting more activity because of higher energy levels, et cetera, things like that. But also just helped me kind of get out of these cycles that I get caught in sometimes. So that's why I was interested.
Now, it is neat, easy application, all of that, great to get this data, really useful, very actionable. You would be shocked what impacts your blood sugar. You would be shocked. It's amazing what I've been learning in just a couple of days. I wish I knew this stuff my entire life. I mean, it's clinically important. And it's not what you think. Like, it's the opposite of what you think. It can be. I was surprised. So here's the downsides, though. First of all, the Abbott lingo, it only works with an iPhone 11 or later. So no Android support. There may be other ones out there, but I don't think there are.
The sensor, at best, only lasts 14 days. So you got to poke yourself probably every 10 days or so with a new sensor. And each sensor is $50. So you're spending 50 bucks every 10, 14 days or so. The other thing is, you can see this on Amazon, kind of has mixed reviews. Some say it's worth every cent. Others find it way overpriced. But other people have reported issues with the sensor dropping off, sometimes within the first hour of use. And I had this drop off pretty much all night. And then I, you know, rebooted my phone this morning and it started feeding data again.
So I don't know what kind of troubleshooting they did, but, uh, so yeah, you know. So, uh, my boyfriend is a type two diabetic and he uses Dexcom, which is an insurance cover. Is it continuous or does he have to poke himself? No, it's this, it's basically identical. It has the filament. Um, it is every 14 days. It has that, uh, that one hour wait period while it sinks or whatever. Yeah. This does too. You, uh, scan a QR code. You don't tap it, which is hilarious. Like, Oh, I'm going to buy my, I don't know. I figured it's Abbott, right? So I figured they must be taking some of this insurance and medical technology and just consumerizing it.
Exactly. And so that's what I wanted to clarify is that what Chris is using, it doesn't require a prescription. And you can buy it on Amazon for $50. Yeah, they just say, make sure you don't use this for any medical action or something like that. Yeah, don't. Yeah, exactly. I mean, so if you are getting one of these, you probably should just do a quick A1C check just to see where you're at. What is an A1C check? That is, that will indicate if you are edging towards a diabetic status. Yeah. I think it's like a 90 day. Like my grandma would get it every six weeks or so if she was making a diet change to try to lower it.
So over time, this does start to, if you use it for multiple weeks, it does start to give you like more like baseline blood sugar level insights. But you're right. Yeah. I mean, some of this is like me looking for cheap solutions because I don't have medical insurance. And I'm like, well, if I can just sort of, if I can, if I could just use this thing to kind of figure out how to better manage my blood sugar, then I could just incorporate that into like a eating regime or something. Yeah, exactly. What we have noticed with my boyfriend is that even if he hasn't eaten, but he exercises, the alarm will go off. Have you made the alarm go off?
No, I haven't set any alerts yet. Oh, OK. That's interesting. Maybe I should. Yeah. So exercise, it's really interesting. and it's specific from what I googled it's specific to diabetics so when diabetics exercise it can cause so it doesn't necessarily happen to people that are. Non-diabetic it. Seemed to be associated. With that status she's got type 1 even like when she drinks coffee even if it's just straight black coffee with no sugar it can still spike her glucose levels right yeah it's like wow okay you really gotta watch it for me it's been interesting this morning, just figuring out okay if I eat now and I did it like I ate Thank you.
Just as the blood sugar levels are starting to come down and they were around 100 and then they got down to the low 80s after I'd already eaten and now it's climbed back up and now it's sitting right here at 99. So I think I nailed it. We're usually like at this point in the show, I'm starving. It's an inappropriate amount of hunger. It's ridiculous how fast it comes on. I don't know if I'm going to keep doing it. I might buy one or two more just to try it for a few weeks. I didn't know there was a consumer version. I figured because I'm pretty sure that the copay for Dexcom is 50. as well.
Oh. You know? But that means that for insurance, it'd be like $300 or something. Right? Dexcom has a similar competing version to the Lingo. It's $99, but it includes two sensors. So they've made a commercial version of the Dexcom one, too, I guess. A consumer? Yeah, a consumer, yeah. Yeah. Oh, interesting. Yeah. If this thing dies on me, like in a couple days or two, I might just try the Dexcom version. Yeah. Because then you get two sensors anyways. But man, oh man, the moment this is in a smartwatch that is available to life-changing, life-changing. Imagine if the Apple Watch did this.
Yeah. I mean, again, though, the filament is likely metal that I'm allergic to. So we'll see. Supposedly, although we don't know really, but the patents seem to suggest that Apple's able to figure it out with light sensors. Oh. Like they do your other information with light sensors right now. That's creepy. And I suppose it's been in development for six, seven years or something like that. I don't know. I guess they launched a sensor that they've been working on shortly after they launched the Apple Watch. And they've been getting it tested and all that kind of thing.
So if the Apple Watch came out, that'd be a hard thing to say no to. But then hopefully other watch manufacturers would try it too. It has been, and it's only been a couple of days, and it has been so, so insightful. I can't wait for the next couple of weeks. I might do a follow-up if people are interested. And if others out there have gut issues that they have solutions for, you know I'd like to hear it. one of the ways you can share is by calling the show you know we have that phone number and we have that voicemail you can always leave us a tip, And we did get a few voicemails.
I'm so excited. I know, me too. Our first voicemail is from Friar Tech. He gets the honor of leaving the first voicemail. Here we go. Hello, Chris. Hello, Angelo. This is Friar Tech calling you from Chicago, suburbia. I love the podcast. I love the launch. This is actually my first bootleg version of any podcast that JB does. And I'm actually loving it. I may have to turn on all the bootlegs now because I really realized how much I'm missing. You two sound great together. And for the first game that I probably had an unhealthy relationship, that would have been Ultima 3 and Ultima 4.
I can't remember the name of the company that did it. It might have been Origin Systems. I don't know. But I really played that way too often, more than my homework. Anyway, thanks for the show. And happy day after launch. Thank you, sir. Thank you for the voicemail. and the nostalgic video game memories. I've been really getting my game nostalgia on recently. I think the show has been influencing me. You ready for the next voicemail, Andrews? Yes, I am. It's from Rotted Mood. Y'all, this is Rotted Mood calling in from the Midwest Metropolis, good old Chicago, Illinois.
Sorry about the other message. My cat decided to do some misbehaving while I was trying to leave that one. So this is take two. And everybody listening to the podcast probably won't know what I'm talking about, but that's okay. I wanted to call in and say the game that I was highly addicted to was Wing Commander 2. I don't know if anybody's familiar with that game, but it came out in the 90s and was kind of a flight sim combat game. But, man, I love that. The other game I was highly addicted to in the 90s was Myst, which is complete opposite from Wing Commander 2, but equally awesome and was a very hard puzzle game. At least it was very hard for me.
But that's it. Love the show. Thanks, y'all. Bye. Yeah, I remember Wing Commander. I mean, it was so great. I really loved it back in the day, and I played it for hours on, I think, my dad's DOS PC. Thank you, Rotted Mood. Our last voicemail of the week comes from Turd Ferguson. Hey, guys, Turd here. Long time. First time. Love the show. I just wanted to call in and make it clear. The CIA and their buddies in the mob killed JFK. That's all. Have a great day. There you go. Thank you, Turd. call the launch everybody 774-462-5667 we want to hear from you you can leave a voicemail that's fine, there you go give us a ring thank you everybody who did call in and we'll leave the phone line open if you want to call in during the live show too I think it's time for a musical break what do you say?
yeah now last week we got Lost Cause by Ollie up to number three on the value for value charts. Now that is incredible because it wasn't on the charts at all. There's like over a hundred songs on the chart and it wasn't on the charts at all. And we got it at number three. It is so awesome. So that's great. Thank you everybody for supporting the artists. When you boost, we do use the magic wallet switching technology. So 95% of your sats go directly to the creator of the song. And so I love that last song from Ollie. So this week we're going to play another one of my absolute favorite value for value tracks.
It is 4 AM by Curtis Drums. How do you not just bop your head to that? Let's try taking a call, Andrews. All right? We've got a call coming in right now on the show. I have no idea if this will work. Caller, are you there? Hello. Hello, caller. Hello. Hello. Hey, who are we talking to? This is Adversary 17. Hey, Mr. 17. It's good to hear from you. You're a real person. I am a real person. And where are you calling us from today? We're going to try to get everybody to give us a general location. You don't have to be specific. I'm also from Chicago suburbs. So it seems that you guys need to make it out here.
No kidding. That was coming. Yeah. I know. I know. I hear that. Chicago, I feel like, is one of the more... Murderous? No, it's like one of the ones I hear more often. Murderous. That might be too. That could be. You don't have any trouble with the crime out there, right? We'll be safe if we come out there, right? Oh, yeah. Just stay away from certain areas. That's all. So since we have you, I'd like to ask you about your sleep habits. Do you have any sleep tricks? Are you a good sleeper, a bad sleeper? I would say I'm a decent sleeper. I have a Garmin Instinct 2 that I use to track my sleep. And typically I try to read about maybe a chapter or a good 20 pages of a book before going to sleep.
That usually keeps me distracted from having existential crises before going to bed. Yeah. So that's helpful. Reading is a good tip that's a good tip yeah are you doing any tracking yeah. He uses the garmin. I'm tracking with garmin yeah yeah yeah yeah i love the garmin tracking i've also been using the apple watch simultaneously and each are good i i think maybe the apple watch might be slightly more accurate i've had uh i've had times i don't know if you've run if you're 17 if you're not having sleep problems you might not have noticed this but i've had times and it's really disappointing where the Garmin just gives up, and it's like, no, you don't get sleep tracking tonight. It was too bad.
Have you seen this? Where it'll actually just throw its hands up and say, sorry, I can't track this. You know, I don't think I have. Yeah. It's- I'll keep an eye out for that. It's bad. It feels bad, man. It feels real bad. Maybe he's not throwing himself all over the bed. You know, like you do. You know? Are you working out right now? Yeah, right? You're not asleep. Yeah. Jeez. Well, it's good to hear from you, you know? Likewise. Frequent boosters, so we always appreciate that. appreciate the support. Can I also comment last week, The question you guys asked was a game that has kept you busy.
One that has kept me busy is called Space Engineers. It's kind of like a Minecraft in space, but I was playing it since it came out in early access, and it finally released like a year ago. Very fun. Is this a desktop or a mobile? It's a desktop app. Okay. Desktop game. All right. And if you want to host your own server, you can do that too. Oh, boy. All right, space engineers. I'm going to look it up after the show. Hopefully you didn't just do me. You know, Dylan might really like it, actually. Great. If he likes the Minecraft and making mods, there's a whole... You can actually write your own custom scripts in the game.
Oh, really? To do all kinds of cool automation. Is it like an in-game scripting language? No, it's C-sharp. Oh, no. No way. Literally C-sharp. Hilarious. That's great. Okay. Space engineers. Thank you, Mr. Adversaries. It's nice to chat with you. As well. Thank you both. Yeah, you have a good rest of your day. Yeah, you too. Call again. All right, Andrews, what do you think? With that, should we do a little boosts? All right, so our first boost this week comes from Otterbrain. He got in first with the timing, and he gets the first slot with 3,000 sats. Yeah, buddy. My first computer that my parents got the family was a TI-99-4A.
I learned a bit of basic, and I stored the code to a cassette tape. Is the TI-99, is that the one that's just a keyboard, and it has a coax output that you hook up to the TV? Yes. Oh, my gosh. Yeah, I had one of these from a garage sale. Yes, you did. These are so cool. Very neat. Yeah, they don't do a lot. But, you know, we didn't care back then. We didn't care. We could do something. All right, look at this. It's High Five Connoisseur. He's back. Oh, he's right there, and he's fully functional. He sent us 3,000 sets to say, my friends went very far, got very far into Call of Duty.
Oh, yeah, we used to play some serious Medal of Honor. Yep. We got deep in the metal on it. And Battlefield 19. Yeah. What is it? It was one of the early, 1942? I can't, I don't know. 1984, the book ruined me. So I always, yeah. I'm like, which number was it? Battlefield 1984. That would be a good one. Many nights passing around the controller into the wee hours. He says, Chris, you could do an RV home and automation consulting. Especially with privacy concerned folks. You know, I agree. Keeping it all local in the RV, keeping it private. it. I just don't know who the customer is and how to reach them.
But the thing I was just mentioning early in the show about we go to bed and it's 71, 72 degrees and it can go all the way down to 65 and it comes back up around 5 a.m. That's just like one of a thousand things that the RV just takes care of for us now because of automation from lighting to internet and all of that. And it's so great. It all works offline, no cloud subscription. I'd love to help somebody set that up. Speaking of adversaries 17, he's back in the booths with a tasty burger and 5,000 sets. How come we didn't get Dylan's favorite game? Oh, that's a good catch.
Nothing gets past him. We did try. Yeah, so he participated in the members pre-show last week, but during the show, he was doing his English. Yeah. You knew he must have been a little shy because he'd rather do the homework than come on the show. Right? Yeah. This boy does not. He does not like English. He doesn't like doing homework. In fact, he thinks all work should be done in school. But we could both see him. Well, I could definitely see him. But he was smiling while we were doing the show. And he really enjoyed being here for the live show. But it definitely is Minecraft for him.
Definitely. Let's take a call. Why not? I'm taking him to the front of the line today. Let's do it. I say it's time. Let's bring our caller in. Hello, caller. Where are you calling from? I'm calling from Ontario, Canada. Hello, Ontario, Canada. And who's this? Phoebe on the Matrix rooms. Hello. Oh, welcome into the launch. It's nice to chat with you. Yeah, for sure. You know, I'm going to ask you about your sleep habits, but why are you calling today? Actually, I was calling about the sleep habit stuff. Oh, perfect. All right. So are you a good sleeper or a rough sleeper like me? I have possibly one of the worst sleeps that anyone could ever wish for.
What's the opposite of wish? Of course. Right. But so I had gone for sleep studies like 20 years ago. And every single time the doctor or the technicians had always told me, yeah, we can tell something's wrong, but we have no idea what it is. Oh, that's so frustrating. Yeah. So a couple of years ago, I was talking with my doctor and she said, why don't you go for a sleep study? And I said, nah, forget it. It's just, there's no point. And she convinced me, no, no, it's gotten much better. The science is much better. I said, okay, sure. And in the meantime, before I went for my appointment, I started paying attention, to my uh sleep study uh not sleep study my sleep tracking results and i'm looking at them thinking come on like this can't be real like this is this thing's got to be worthless because.
The number was so bad you admit you just must not be reading right is that is that what you were thinking. Well it was it was showing it was showing like um uh what's it called not the run sleep but like the the deep sleep yeah yeah it was showing it like kind of like like erratic and i'm thinking okay this thing is not sitting on my wrist right something's wrong but anyways went into the sleep study did the study darth calls me back and says well you have fractured sleep it turns out it's sleep maintenance insomnia whereas it's not a problem necessarily falling asleep it's a problem staying asleep yeah and the way he he described it was it's like someone is standing next to you and poking you nonstop just until the point where you wake up and then they stop, but you kind of fall back asleep again and then keep going.
And he said it looked like this was happening hundreds of times a night. Wow. Or throughout the eight hours or whatever. Wow. And then I looked back at my sleep tracker and I thought. It's right. Okay, actually, yeah, this thing was right. So if I had listened, paid attention, that would have, yeah. It kind of feels like, I wonder if you have this similar thing. It feels like that experience, if you've ever had it when you're nodding off while driving and you go, nope, I can't fall asleep. I sometimes have that when I'm trying to fall asleep, too, is just as I fall asleep, oh, I better not fall asleep.
And then my body wakes myself up again. And it's so frustrating. Do you have that or is it different? Like you don't even really realize it's happening. So I also have ADHD. I seem to have it pretty hard. and what the sleep doctor so for me incidentally falling asleep is also very very difficult um there were i would say it would be more often than not that trying to fall asleep i would just be staring at the ceiling trying to will myself to sleep but nothing's happening and then i check my you know my watch or my phone what time is it it's like two three in the morning and i'm just I'm just not asleep.
So there was a period of time I was taking melatonin and that kind of helped me. But, no, for me, falling asleep is, it's easier for me to be awake. I'm usually very tired throughout the day, but I don't want to sleep. Right, because it's so frustrating. If that makes sense. Low energy. Low energy. Yeah. You've learned to adapt to the low energy without sleep, and trying to fall asleep is so damn frustrating, you might as well just be up and do something. Exactly. And the doctor's solution was two steps. First step was to take, I can't remember what it was called. I'm trying to think now.
Anyways, it was effectively what it was, was a neural suppressant. Apparently, it was like I had to go through a bunch of steps to actually get the medication because it was commonly used for, I don't know if you want me to say this on the show, but for no longer being in this world. Wow. So they were very cautious about, you know, take one pill, do not take a second one, and take it before you get into bed. Don't take it and go brush your teeth. Take it and get into bed. and I thought yeah yeah yeah whatever took the first pill went to brush my teeth and I walked into the wall I don't know how many times it was like a it was yeah it was like it was like a switch it was like an on-off switch um so I told the doctor yeah I'm not keen on this she convinced me to try it for one month and supposedly sometimes it helps people reset their uh their clocks but didn't work for me my my solution my my kill move was I shouldn't say that uh especially in the context of what I just said a minute ago.
The thing that worked for me very well is tryptophan. Oh. Like a supplement? Like the stuff in turkey. Right. Exactly. Turkey. That's exactly it. It's the thing when you eat turkey. It makes you sleepy. That's exactly what it is. But it's like multiple turkeys in one pill. And the reason why it works so well is because that actually metabolizes into melatonin, but it gets to your brain much more efficiently than taking a melatonin pill. So that has pretty much, I've never felt, I've never felt better since taking that. And it's basically, well, it's thanks to my doctor, but, you know, if I had paid attention to my sleep tracker from the very beginning, that would have put me on the right track a long time ago.
Do you recall the brand you like of tryptophan? Are you getting it just from like Amazon? No. So the tryptophan I'm taking, so in Canada, it's, of course, I'm not like paying for it too much, but it's a prescription. It's through the doctor. The doctor prescribes it. That's great. And the reason why that's good is because then my insurance will pay for it. So what you just said about getting it from Amazon, that's kind of the problem with melatonin too. This is what the sleep clinic people were telling me, is that the problem with the melatonin that you buy off the shelf is that it's not regulated.
It's basically a natural health product. So if the bottle says 5 milligrams, each pill might only have 0.1 milligrams or it might have 10. There's no regulation or consistency. And that's why they actually recommend against taking melatonin, because the results are wild. It's not reliable. Nobody's double-checking. Yeah, right. Yeah. So I would think that something off of Amazon would have the same issue. Right. You said that the doctor had a two-step process. The first was that pill that made you walk into the wall. Was the second step the L-tryptophan or was it?
That's right. Yeah, yeah. Oh, okay. All right. Yeah. Do you know how many milligrams you're taking of it? The way they do it is they start you off at like, I don't know if it's the max dose, but it's just whatever she put me on. It was 12 grams. Wow. Okay. Yeah. Dang. Sounds like more than a couple turkeys. So and the funny here's the funny thing is she actually warned me she said uh so when you take a high dose it's probably going to be too much but it's not going to have any side effects you'll just feel a little bit groggy in the morning but that's actually good because the the good thing is that what you do is if you're waking up groggy in the morning then after about a week of doing that you drop down to like by one so they're 500 milligram So, you know, you keep dropping down until you get to the point where you're no longer feeling groggy, you're feeling refreshed.
So for me, that's six grams. Interesting. So you just sort of walk it back to us at the right spot and dial it in. Interesting. But she did warn me. She said, when you start off with a dose that's higher than what you need, she did warn me, as you're falling asleep, you might feel electrical shocks all over your body. Which was funny because I'm thinking like, what? But what it is, is your brain, because with the flooding of melatonin, your brain is trying to go to sleep. So it's trying to shut off that part of your brain that connects to the rest of the body. So it's trying to shut off and you're still awake. So you're kind of fighting that.
So it results in this weird jolting feeling. And the first time I felt it, I thought I was being struck by lightning. Wow. I feel this already. I feel it now. I get like these surges of what feels like energy or electricity in like my shoulder or in my arm and I have to move my arm and it has to move around or else I can't get rid of it. And sometimes it's in my legs or it's in my lower back. CB, what happens if you forget to take it or do you have like five alarms so that you don't forget to take it? And when do you take it? Do you take it just before bed or do you take it with your dinner or what does that look like?
Yeah, so you avoid any kind of protein with it because it itself is a protein. So if you take other forms of protein, and that includes chocolate. So if you take any other kind of protein, it just doesn't absorb as well. Interesting. So you take it, like don't take it with dinner then was what you're saying. Yeah. So basically you take it before, like basically about 45 minutes before you expect to want to fall asleep. So you take it, you know, you want to go to sleep at 1030, you take it at, you know, 945 kind of thing. Fascinating. I'm going to look into this. This is great.
Yeah. I'm glad to hear it's helping you. And this is why I wanted to call in because you guys are talking about sleep issues. This is honestly, in addition to taking ADHD meds for the first time, this has been like the biggest, like, in terms of medical, life-changing, positive things in my life. I can imagine. I mean, just having more energy and a little clearer mind, just a huge upgrade. Yeah. Like, it's not a cure-all, right? It's just it's given me an extra bit of boost in terms of actually getting restful enough sleep that I don't feel like. And when I say keeling over, I mean, like, sometimes I feel like I could just face plant onto a bed or couch and just sleep.
But it would never happen because my brain won't let that happen unless I take the tryptophan. Interesting. To your other question about do I forget to take it? No, no, I don't forget to take it because it's so, it's such a positive thing that there is no way that I could forget to take it. Right. Yeah, and I get that. But yeah, it's like it's a it's it's a total life changer. Combine that, you know, for me, it was like the CPAP mask made a huge upgrade. Now, if I could just get the sleep when I actually sleep better, I think I'd be in pretty good shape.
Well, thank you so much, CB. That was really good information. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Really appreciate it. All right. Well, call in again soon, won't you? I will do. All right. Have a good one. Thanks for calling. All right. Love the show. Thank you, sir. And we got a row of ducks from Odyssey Westra who came in, said, say, love the song by Ollie. So I think he was sending that to the Ollie song. Thank you. Odyssey, it's always nice to hear from you too. Makes Andrew smile. I know that. She says, oh, there's Odyssey coming in. Mm-hmm.
We got 4,749 sats from Magnolia Mayhem saying, I think the worst business idea that I actually put it into effort was my very first. One day my dad yelled at me when I was about 13 or 14 for not washing the farm equipment good enough. Instead of taking the hint and just doing a better job, I decided to focus on the fact that the chicken poop was acidic, or at least according to him. Well, fast forward a week, and I'm collecting different kinds of metal because I want to try to build a giant battery out of the chicken house and pump the power back to the grid. I got to be honest, the idea still crosses my mind on occasion.
A bio-battery the size of a farm might just get into the megawatt range of engineered right. it's a stinky battery but I mean you know chicken's gonna poop right, as Angela will discover when she starts her backyard chicken business thank you Magnolia that's hilarious and Turd Ferguson's here with a boost 9,888 sats, It says, loving the animated chapters. Yes, the podcasting 2.0 apps. A lot of them are showing we do animated chapters for those. My wife wants an EV for work. If you had to buy an EV, which one would you buy? If you had to buy an EV. All right, Andrews. If you had, and I'd like to know the audience too. If you had to buy an EV today, Andrews, could you, would you do it? Would you even do it?
I know nothing about EVs. Like, I don't even know. Like, I know the Leaf is one, but. And of course, the Teslas. The movie looking car. Oh, I guess so. Yeah. No, I am all about the environment and stuff, but I have zero interest in EV. Well, and a lot of these are like, you know, they're essentially cloud connected, right? Like you've never been big on like the privacy invasion stuff. And these are all up in your biz. Yeah. I'll tell you, there is one turd that I'm looking at, though, that could change my tune, but it's not going to be available until like mid-2026, 2027, which is fine by me, but.
Is it a DeLorean? Oh, that'd be so awesome. No, it's so cool, though. It's called the Rivian R3X. And I've been obsessing over this for the last couple of weeks, actually. It's a hot hatchback, like my GTI, but it's also an EV. And it's got just all the things I like. Performance. It's got a little bit of clearance. It's got off-road tires, but still a great on-road driver. Looks like a Mini Cooper. Yeah, it's sort of a hatchback. I'm looking at it from the side, though. Yeah. It's just a little bit, you know, kind of like my Golf, but bigger. Yeah.
Right up my alley, actually. And Rivian makes some great cars. So if you could, you know, Rivian might be something to look into, turd. They've got some good stuff out there right now. Wait, did you say Rivian? Yeah. Oh, I've seen those on the road. And I asked Dylan, like, what model of car is that? And he's like, it's a Rivian. And I'm like, well, what's the make? And he's like, Rivian. And I'm like, it's a Rivian Rivian? No, they've got, like, the R1 out right now. Okay. And maybe they're working on an R2, and they've got a couple iterations. And this will be the R3. Oh, okay. Yeah, that's what I was looking for. It's like, what is the distinguishing? Okay.
Yeah, and they've got a very unique look. Like, you probably noticed that front headlight. Dude, no. Well, first I noticed the brake light is the same as the headlight. Oh, yeah, yeah. Right? Like, yeah, the long. Big bar. Yeah, big bar. I prefer that over these little tiny can't see. I know. Make it obvious. Make it obvious. Loud and proud. Yeah. Let us know what you decide, Turd. It's a tough call right now out there. I think in a couple of years you're going to be totally spoiled with options. But at the moment, it's, I mean, there's great options. The prices are coming down. So I don't know. You tell us. All right. Thank you, everybody, who boosted in.
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Key to unlock family history and possibly improve one's own health. My DNA journey started here with 23andMe. But now 23andMe, the company that has collected genetic samples from millions of customers, is filing for bankruptcy. I'm the California Attorney General. I'm also a consumer. It's a decision that's best for me to delete today. Attorney General Rob Bonta says he's deleting his 23andMe account and others should consider doing the same thing. What is your biggest concern about this bankruptcy? That the private sensitive data and information of 14 million consumers who have used 23andMe could get into the wrong hands.
In a statement, 23andMe says it will continue operating its business in the ordinary course during bankruptcy proceedings, adding there are no changes to the way the company stores, manages or protects customer data. But in 2023, a cyber breach exposed the data of nearly 7 million customers. 23andMe settled a lawsuit for $30 million. Last fall, the company announced it was letting go of hundreds of employees and closing its therapeutics division because profits were dropping. Still, co-founder Ann Wojcicki sounded upbeat about 23andMe's future at the time. Is the company still viable, in your opinion?
100%. Is it? Yes. I believe in the company. I believe in the long-term mission. But I believe it's essential for us to restructure. Posting today that her belief in the company and its future is unwavering. Wojcicki says she is stepping down as CEO so she can possibly buy the company back herself if the court allows it to be auctioned off. And whoever buys it will have to follow the original privacy statements, according to 23andMe. But that doesn't mean those privacy statements can't change in the future. I. Glenn Cohen is a Harvard Law professor. What is your message to customers today about 23andMe?
Pay careful, close attention to what happens next. Be careful about clicking through anything that looks like a change in the privacy statement. So, Stephanie, what does this mean if you want to? So the CEO steps down to potentially buy it. I just think that's a really interesting twist. And there's a couple of companies out there. You're a customer of this one? And how do you feel about this whole thing? You know, we went through the same thing not that long ago. And I don't know, my first gut reaction was, oh, no, somebody's going to take my data and solve Hashimoto's. You know, like, oh, no, they're going to find a better cure for something.
You know, I just like what could they really do? But I mean, they could restrict access to this data that otherwise, you know, when I signed up was available like that. That could suck. Sharing it with maybe insurance companies, I suppose, or some worst case like that. Yeah, that also I feel like I feel like obviously there's holes everywhere, but there's enough transparency and regulation that if insurance were to deny based on a report from a genetic thing that they would have to state that and have a hearing or a mitigation process. Like, sure. But also insurance already knows the medical stuff you're getting done.
Right. So it's not like I don't know what's going on. Yeah. And like, so would it be so anybody that could buy 23andMe is a crook? You know, anybody that's big. I mean, yes, there's a lot of, a lot of, but like, I don't know. Like Google buying, it would be creepy. There's so much hype about this. Yeah, for sure. And it feels really unnecessary. I think it's always been a company that's under that particular kind of magnifying glass. It always, you know, when they had the data breach, it was a ginormous deal. Right. Well, yeah, it was half the users apparently, but.
So you're not too concerned though, it sounds like? I'm not. Are you going to go in there and tell it to delete anything? Oh, that's what I was going to say. That clip kind of does a disservice. You know, I'm deleting my account. Well, it's not, you don't just delete your account. There are, there's a list of steps that you need to do if you really want your data gone. Like you don't just delete your account. So if you're listening and think about that, like look up the proper way to unauthorize use of your data prior to deleting your account. Yeah.
It's such an interesting idea that I want this to be something that is accessible to everybody because like if the glucose tracking and the sleep tracking has helped me figure out a little bit what's going on, even if I haven't solved it yet, I'm at least on the road to solving it, which gives me some peace of mind. Right. And I feel like results from 23andMe would sort of be the same thing. So I'd love people to have access to it. But then you see this kind of stuff and it scares me away from doing it. So, I actually exported my raw data from 23andMe before the big scare of what they were doing with your data and brought it to a naturopath who interpreted it and told me what was going on with my body. And it actually really helped.
Unfortunately, I still went into anaphylactic shock doing allergy suppression stuff. Right, right. But I found out I have a histamine intolerance. I'm sorry, deficiency. Well, I guess, same thing. histamine deficiency so um i just react really strongly and i just can't handle that so like leftover food is a problem is high histamine you know because as food ages so. No leftovers huh. No i mean i shouldn't no it's it's causing a bunch of inflammation um and so it it has steered me in directions you know what i was going to tell you is my great aunt had said happy birthday to somebody I went to school with, right?
She said, happy birthday, Ryan, cousin Ryan. And I was like, whoa. And so I don't want to identify names, but I was like, what is going on here? And so I went to school with somebody I'm related to. That's crazy, didn't even know it. That is my cousin. Yeah, like a second cousin once removed or something. And he clearly hasn't done 23andMe because I haven't seen his name pop up there, but he's actually on TV. Yeah. He has a show. Who knew? Yeah. That's interesting. I definitely would be, as I get a little older, I think I wouldn't mind knowing a little bit of the back family tree a little bit.
Knowing what's in the recipe a little bit. Knowing what's coming down the pipe. So I don't know. Yeah. I remember first doing my 23andMe test. I dropped it in the mailbox and I posted on Facebook like, now I'm going to find out if my mom is related to me or something like that. And what's funny is I was 50% my dad and 49.8% my mom. I don't know what the other 0.2% is. I'd be curious to know that mix. Could you imagine some of the bombshells that people discover? Let's do it. I mean, I don't know. I got to think about it. You want to sell your DNA, right?
Well, maybe after they're done with the whole thing. And if it goes to somebody that's trustworthy, I don't know. Maybe I will. Could you imagine if I discovered like one of my parents wasn't my parent? That'd be, what a story. Would I share it on air? I mean, you'd almost have to. It's such great content. How could you not? Screw privacy. All right. Okay. I want to talk about one of my pet peeves. I want to see if you can pick up on this. So it starts with this news report of winter on a boat. How do you do winter on a boat when you're, you know, at the slip and it's cold? Well, this gets into the fun, adorable, quaint life on a boat.
New at 6, on board a community in Boston. People who've decided to live on a boat instead of paying the high cost of housing. But in the name of comfort, what do they do in the wintertime? WBZ's Mike Sullivan visited a marina in Charlestown to see the conditions firsthand. Two by two, row by row, the rain falling pitter-patter on the plastic. There's something visually poetic about life on a wintry vessel. This is living the life, really. It's visually poetic. It's living the life. You just have to not have 30 pairs of shoes. You will often find Larry Anderson buried in cables, his eyes affixed to a screen.
He's not giving up anything. He just doesn't have 30 pairs of shoes, but he's got screens, he's got electricity. I rent year-round here. It's been my eighth year here. He's a video editor by trade, a liveaboard by Lifestyle. I changed my Instagram to Larry Lives on a Boat, and I think it's more popular just for that. His boat is docked at Constitution Marina in Charlestown, along with roughly 50 others. This has to be a really close-knit, like, quirky community, I have to assume. Yes, you can assume that. The neighbors call out to each other by name. They love each other. They all know their name. They're quirky.
Even share cold nights at a nearby hotel pool. Every Friday night, they turn it up to hot tub level, and everybody strolls over there with beer and wine and whatever, and it's sort of lining the outside of the pool. All right, all the boomers in the pool, everybody. It's boomer party night at the marina. All right, so now here's another news report about living in the RV. Let's see if this one's different. RVs are starting to pop up almost everywhere on Longmont streets, but it's not people camping, it's people living. And now the city's trying to do something to get these homes on wheels to move along.
What are they doing? They're living in there? They're not even camping? Number 7's Jason Grinauer found out. Tonight the problem is, move along to where? there's just nowhere to go. For Dustin and his dog, this 23-foot Winnebago is home. Of course, that's a mocking tone, and this has gone from cute and quaint to desperate and sad. The rental prices in Boulder County are terrible. Just out of control. He has the freedom to go anywhere. The problem is where to park. You spend the night in front of a business that's, open at night, you know, and then you move during the day. I've been kicked out of about 20 places in just the last six months.
We're not trying to prohibit that activity or limit anyone's right to live in a vehicle. Sean Lewis is Longmont's assistant city manager. If you can move that vehicle every 48 hours, then no one neighborhood is negatively affected, and that's the complaint we've gotten from some of our residents. A new ordinance passed its first city council test last night. Right now, legally, RVs have to move at least an inch every 24 hours. Soon, they may have to move to another city block 600 feet every 48 hours. We really want to try to balance those different computers. It's just like it's a torture. I mean, if you could think about what a painted ass is to move all your stuff every 48 hours, I get why they do it.
But there is an interesting little bit of narrative here. So the person living in a boat and the person living in the RV, In a lot of cases, not all that much different. The person living in a boat is one incident on their boat, one problem on their boat, one failed payment to the dock is a day or two away from living in the RV. Make no mistake about it. And the reality is, is some people choose to live in RVs, but they always portray it as the sad, dilapidated thing. broken down lifestyle. But I will tell you with absolute confidence, I would rather live in an RV than a boat any day of the week. These boats are crap.
They have crappy wooden doors. You have to wrap them in plastic in the evening. They don't have very nice amenities. The toilets are junk. The cooking areas are crap. This total space is tight and you have to be on the water, which is moving all the time. And in the winter, you can obviously imagine how much worse that makes things. So it is immensely, immensely more enjoyable to live in an RV in the winter than it would be a boat. But the news doesn't care. That's not how they talk about it. The boat is quaint. The boomers have a pool party. It's great. And the RV is sad. They've got to move along. They can't be here anymore. They're dirty. They're gross. They're run down.
The reality is housing is too expensive for everybody. And the people choosing to live in boats are only just about a bit of an inch away from living in an RV or somewhere else. And this has got to be one of my pet peeves because some of these RVs, not all of them, are really nice. Now, it's obviously a problem, too, like along the streets. Like we see here in Washington, there can just be rows and rows of RVs with garbage everywhere. Frick, in Seattle, they come around and they dump your tanks for you. They have complimentary dump service in some parts of Seattle.
That's crazy. I should just move down there. I've got to do my own dumping right now. Yeah, because you love Seattle. Well, I hate dumping. You would not want to drive an RV in Seattle. No. No, I'd just park it. It's just, I don't know. Throughout my life, I've experienced things that I didn't expect. I think family members wouldn't have preconceived notions about me choosing to live in an RV. But no, they do. I thought, but don't you know me? Have you looked at the property taxes in Washington and the cost of homes? Have you looked at the situation? Like this is a strategic choice.
Not only that, but like the maintenance. There's still maintenance on our RV, but house maintenance and keeping up with all that and all the space. And the yard. And it becomes cluttered. And then you don't like neighbors either. That's true. You don't like walking out the front door and being greeted by somebody when you just want to get to work. That is very true. That is, that is, I really don't want to have, I don't mind being social with my neighbor, but not when I'm just trying to do something. Right. You know, like, ah, just let me take out the trash. Let me get into the car.
It has been a thing in the past, as you can probably guess. I don't know. That's just one of my pet peeves is the way the media can shape those narratives. Like boat living could be just as awful as RV living and vice versa. Even worse. It's way smaller. Yes. It's way smaller and constant motion sickness. There's no way I could do that. And there's so fewer marinas to choose from than RV parks. And they're likely doing it for the same reason as RV parks. I mean, like just really. Thank you. That's all. That's all. Where's your ding?
Here we go. You get it. You're right. there you go thank you there you go and also one of these yes just whoof, All right, there you go. I think that's just it. I had to get that off my chest, everybody. Can you imagine how hard it was for me? It's rough. But we'd love to hear from you. Don't forget, you can call. We do have that phone number, obviously, and we'd love to hear from you. But also, you can go to weeklylaunch.rocks. We have a contact page up there. And then we do love your boost as well. With the podcasting, Twitter app, and some sats, you can support the show and send us a message. So with that, I say, let's wrap it up. Thank you, everybody.
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